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Ithrien Dusat - ex-Student |
Sorry, but i am full of ideas that would make the Academy much more enjoyable place to be and add to the community. This makes quite a bit of sense so bear with me here. P.S. In no way would the graduated Jedi's have any rank, or authority in the Academy. I have noticed that through my past experience here (as Rheeno Katarei and Atreyu) that many many people are set on becoming JAK's or JAT's. Well, as said by a few of the trainers, knights and council members, not many people fulfill that dream. So what i have thought of is a selection process though somewhat long, would still give more people a chance. Here it goes... Step 1: A Jedi Graduation program is started. This program allows students to sign up for a chance to become an Official Jedi by say of the Academy. To become a Jedi you would need to go through a few months of training(what kind would be up o the Academy) and then a trial in which only a select few would graduate and be officialy announced a jedi by the Academy. Step 2: Once an official Jedi, you are automaticaly put a watch list to become Jedi Academy Knights. This is when the selection process should become the hardest. From here, the Jedi's could wear a [Jedi] tag when they play and would be watched by the Council members, Knights and Trainers over a period of another few months(to make sure that the players are indeed willing to dedicate). It would make selection much easier because from the training the Jedi's had already recieved, they would be somewhat knowledgable of what to do to become a Jedi Knight. Step 3: After the next few months had passed, the Academy Staff will have chosen the nominees for the chance to become a Jedi Knight. Then, the nominees are put on a vote for the community to vote who they find most acceptable as a Jedi Knight(sorry, this is getting long so i have reduced you guys to "Staff"  The nominees if willing to accept go through a month or so of watching over and then go through the trials. When the trials are over with, maybe 1-2 new Knights will be on the staff.It wouldnt have to be exactly like this, but something like it. Maybe it would give people more of a chance if you want to call it that, and even if they dont make it to JAK, they are still official Jedi's which hell, would be more than acceptable for me=) If you have gotten this far, thank you for reading and please cast your vote Atreyu Mantarei - Jedi Academy Student _______________ Once you start down the dark path, forever will it dominate your destiny, consume you it will... Jedi Master Yoda This post was edited by Ithrien Dusat on Mar 07 2004 01:55am. |
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JAcen LW Solo - Retired 
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oooooooooooooooo not JAGs. Dont you guys remember, there was a bunch of wirdos self intitled Jedi Academy Gangsters with the tag JAG. Their sole mission was to implement chaos in the academy. We manage to boot them all out. _______________ "Though I walk through the shadow of the valley of death, I shall fear no evil .For I am the baddest mofo in the valley" |
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_cmad_ - Ex-Student 
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heh yeah i remember that one Kueller  And I think I commented "And when they're JAGs, the JA must buy'em some jags [jaguars, the car!! ]" _______________ Your friends of today, are your enemies of tomorrow. |
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FaDed - Student 
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can we kick them out onto the pubs once they're JAGs. |
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aph3x - Retired 
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I had this idea a few months ago. I was going to bring it the JACs...but mine was bit different. Jedi Academy Graduate[JAG] Pretty much the same as yours, except that it would not be a bridge between JAS and JAK. Like JAP, it would be mostly a tag thing. We would just keep a list of all teh graduates here, and on your profile it would say "graduate" or whatever. they would have no special status, or given special treatment at all. also, another reason i liked my idea so much, is that it would be a perfect way for clans to find new members. kindof like 'hey your a JAG, welcome to the clan  ' you kno what i mean? that would be neat. |
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Monteeeeeee - Nugget 
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God damn you solo, im sure he has it saved as a txt file in hius documents ya know _______________ If you add me to MSN, tell me who you are
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JAcen LW Solo - Retired 
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Good afternoon gentleman. Like it was mentioned here, this idea is not entirely new. I think we add about 4/6 posts like this on the last couple of years. It's not rong to post this, ppl have the right to speak their minds and this might look like a good idea when you haven't lived the entire Academy history. Although the thought of having the students get their skils and evolution recognized somehow might seam like a great idea, with time the theory proves to be rong as the bad things it brings outnumber the good things. This place as about 3 years and we add some attempts at student ranking system. They all failed. Not becuase of its concept but because of human nature. Once ppl got their shinny titles they started becoming vain, ignoring new ppl, thinking on mantaining that reputation, etc. I remember going on the server under an Alias posing as a n00b and got treated like garbage by most ppl that got the so called recognition tag. They refused fighting me, refused teaching me, even told me to go away. So we stoped those systems, now the only ranks we have are working Ranks. Why does our current system works ? Because it works like a school. JAK = Assisting teachers/security JAT = Teachers JAC = School board JAS = Students These ppl are JAK, JAT or JAC because they fit the job profile. We do not promote ppl because of their feats on a server pwning ppl, we only get new ppl when we have vacancies. And then we look for guys/gals with a good balance between character/teaching abilities/skill. Of corse if I go to a server and see a guy with a all victories score I will be impressed, but I will be adding to my watch for knight list the guy with the half wins half losses score that takes the time to tell the ppl he won what they are doing rong in order to help them. Remember being an excelent player does not mean that you are a nice person or have teaching abilities. If you have these qualities great if not, skill only wont cut it out. Skill based ranks brings discussion, inside wars and colapse of the management structure. The prove of this is that we are up and running for 3 years while most clans(witch mostly use the skill based system) die after a few months. One thing I can asure, if you(all the students) just forget about getting promoted and act as your self you will get a shot at it. Some ppl think that kissing butt is the answer to getting noticed by the JAK+, well it is not. We know who is acting or not as we often join the server under an alias to see how ppl we have an ey e on act when no JAK+ is around. Lemme tell you that we bust many ppl that way. The answer to getting noticed is to be nice, repect everyone no matter what they rank or skill is, teach ppl less skilled then you and respect the rules. Skillwise you do not need be ubber 1337, you have to be above average. Like I mentioned we will notice you more if you botter tot ake the time to help ppl and pass on your knowladge of the game then if you join the servers only to fight ppl and kick ass. Be nice folks _______________ "Though I walk through the shadow of the valley of death, I shall fear no evil .For I am the baddest mofo in the valley" This comment was edited by JAcen LW Solo on Mar 14 2004 10:40pm. |
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Dan - Student |
makes it seem like a clan, apologies if this has been said before but im too lazy to read alll the other comments. yeah and i dont like clans -Aiden |
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DarthRane(JAS) - Ex-Student 
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It is okay just except the whole [JEDI] tag and the whole few months to earn it but i like the graduating thing _______________ Why Don't You tell me who i am [Jedi Academy Student] [Member of the Old Jedi Order] [Married to the lovely Nae-Qwin-U] |
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Evil Squirrel - Student 
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I dont really care what system we use/get/keep! I didn't join to become a JAK+ when I joined I just wanted to learn to be better at the games! So whatever system we adopt or keep im fine with _______________ "I'm leaning more towards the cookie side" - leif two time winner of the "SilkMonkey Award for Best Evil Squirrel Based Avatar Picture" award! Geology Rocks! |
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n00b - Student 
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I joined the Academy when the old system was in place. God, that was quite a long time ago when I took that Journeyman trial for JK2, something like Jan, 2003. If I remember correctly, the system failed because of the chaos. One problem was there weren't enough JAK around to satisfy the demand of students wanting to take the trials, but the biggest problem was that nobody actually knew who was qualified for what and when people should take the trials. This led to people begging JAK for trials with promises they could achieve something that they couldn't. I must have taken the Journeyman trial sometime close to the end of this system because I remember the JAK who I asked to give me the trial complained about this to me. Students here are from all over the world, so Trial classes would have to be "round the clock" for everyone to have an oppurtunity to take them. There just isn't enough people willing to make that happen. _______________ Gone but hopefully not forgotten... |
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Odan-Wei Belouve - Student 
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Well, pretty much everything has been said and well said about why we're not gonna have this ranking system back. I just want to add that this is not the first thread of this kind I've seen since I joined in late september 2003. I still consider myself a newbie for the respect of people who've spent more than a year in here, helping buidling this community and making it a haven for people who want a different place to make friends and play. I guess every single newcomer in the JA is dreaming of achieving the JAK+ rank and some just keep quiet and watch how things go in here, how the people behave. You might even ask for some information you'll be most welcome Atreyu. But as someone said, this kind of thread looks like a personal advertisement for attention.  Don't you think some people have thought about the current system ? Don't you think other things were tried before your arrival ? I've never known the Initiate Learner Journeyman system but I may understand what kind of flaws it has. The current system is fair. There is no other word to describe it. Respect is the most important thing in the JA, and if you read the rules again, you'll see how true it is. Respect made this place a place where people want to come, want to have fun and make friends. Having no ranks for students emphasizes the respect between people because it doesn't give them any special rank or title to abuse power. Good players are always well respected because of their skills but good JA members are respected because of their behavior and maturity in the game AND with people. Asking for those Jedi rank shows that you're impatient to get recognition. If you have the required dedication then someday you'll probably make it to the trials, don't you think ? Anyway, I believe being a JAK+ is a lot of responsibilities and asks a lot from the people who have those tags. You want to be respected then treat others as you wanna be treated, find your own path and have fun without thinking about ranks and all. Remember you'll be watched when you play, you'll be listened to when you speak and you'll be appreciated when you do or say something wise. If your behavior and personality matches the criteria of knighthood you'll know it in time. Meanwhile, just have fun _______________ Padawan and brother to SmilyKrazy - Adopted in the Belouve Family by Fizz and Bubu, BELOUVE ON! - Vladarion, you'll always be in my heart and memories - Spam-Padawan of Jacen Aratan - [DJ is my beloved wife! - JA Family: Brothers:
Virtue, Furi0us, Vladarion, Hardwired, Janus, Axion, D@RtHM@UL, Motrec, Mike , xAnAtOs , Luke Skywalker; Little bro to SilkMonkey ; Special kind of brother to Kenyon ; Sisters in-law: Rosered, Ain-Soph Aur] Photoshop works: click here This comment was edited by Odan-Wei Belouve on Mar 08 2004 10:10am. |
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_cmad_ - Ex-Student
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The poll is kinda hillarious _______________ Your friends of today, are your enemies of tomorrow. |
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Ancient - Ex-Student 
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Quote: For one, yes he did assume that i wanted to move up the ranks faster. He assumed that the proof given was enough to show that i wanted to move up. the proof being my IDEA. Read things a little more closely next time Flash=) I can entirely see how this could stir things up within the Academy, and how people might mistake given the title Jedi, that it could come with some form of power/authority. I would see it as merely a higher level of respect. But not all people have the same train of thought as i do.(not to say mine is superior. i do not want to be flamed for saying that, so think before you respond) I thank you all for giving your opinions in full force. I myself voted nay after thinking more on the situation and hearing the stories of the past. Keep the criticisms coming=) Atreyu Mantarei Good control of your emotion and thinking, WELL SAID! _______________ -THE ONE WITH THE "STAFF" -BROTHER TO FROSTY -Admitted to University of California, San Diego(UCSD). YAY! |
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Jake Kainite - Student 
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I'll add my life story here as well Just going on from what Katan was saying... I wanted Knighthood, I wanted it BAD. I got it, ok all well and good, i'm happy. So I teach, I get better, I teach a little less, get better still and then what ? Thats right, I stop teaching, I put winning the game before playing the game, I become bigheaded, rude, a downright bumhole and then demoted, but I didn't care I was winning...Then the worst thing to happen to a good player happened to me, I lost. This shattered me, I now had nothing to aim for, nothing to interest me, and loads of pissed off people behind me who wouldn't spit on me, never the less encourage me (not talking bout anyone here by the way, you guys have been great) So to cut a long post short, don't try and get pwoer to fast, thats the path to the dark side, don't let the power consume you as it did me.... /roleplay off _______________ Apprenctice of Jedi Master Ascari (deceased) Descended from a line of great Jedi Will argue any point of view from any side
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Katan - Student 
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Quote: Guys guys guys listen to me, a man from experience, being a JAK+ isnt all good u know, u get alot of shit that comes with it, sure its cool to have server admin but u have to think like a student most of the time, over look the fact they was laming and think, if i was on the server wot would i do........ being a JAK+ isnt that easy, we get moaned at alot by the upper ranks for being to easy on u guys, if a student complains about us it really is dealt with and we have to explain ourselfs. u guys think its so easy............... believe me it isnt, it doesnt make u any better at the game, people only go for the rank for popularity reasons, u want to be the focal point of the academy. It swings both ways, yes u can be awesomely popular, but that doesnt make u feel any better, personally setting yourself goals and succeeding is much better. JAK+ rank isnt a goal it is a chance.....not a chance thats all highs and no lows. there is alot of site work involved, we have to keep an eye on god knows how many people.......when in the end all we wanna do is play the game just like u guys. Dont let the ranks seperate us, we are a fantastic community and i dont wanna see this tear a line between ranked members and students............ we all make this place work Amen. I've talked to people ( I AM NOT ACCUSING ANY OR ALL STUDENTS) who seem to think: JAK = Admin Powers + Padawans + Teaching When JAK really is.. JAK = Admin Powers + Padawans + Teaching + Server Patrol + Watching for potential JAK + reporting every single laming or problem that happens on the server + Many other things. This is not ALL we do, these are just some things. When I first came to the JA, for the first few weeks, I didn't even know there WERE ranks. That was the most peaceful time ever for me at the JA. Then I learned of ranks. And I wanted to be a JAK REALLY bad. I tried to act good, be nice, and, well maybe it paid off a bit. But at some point during my time here, I gave up TRYING to. I just figured "Hey, if I deserve JAK, then hey, I'll prolly get it, if I dont deserve it, then I wont get it" And viola, here I am _______________ |
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Ithrien Dusat - Ex-Student |
For one, yes he did assume that i wanted to move up the ranks faster. He assumed that the proof given was enough to show that i wanted to move up. the proof being my IDEA. Read things a little more closely next time Flash=) I can entirely see how this could stir things up within the Academy, and how people might mistake given the title Jedi, that it could come with some form of power/authority. I would see it as merely a higher level of respect. But not all people have the same train of thought as i do.(not to say mine is superior. i do not want to be flamed for saying that, so think before you respond) I thank you all for giving your opinions in full force. I myself voted nay after thinking more on the situation and hearing the stories of the past. Keep the criticisms coming=) Atreyu Mantarei _______________ Once you start down the dark path, forever will it dominate your destiny, consume you it will... Jedi Master Yoda This comment was edited by Ithrien Dusat on Mar 07 2004 08:51pm. |
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Gantoris - Ex-Student 
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That sounds alot like a system we used to have. The one where we attended classes and earned points. Once enough points were earned the Higher Ups would start to look at you and your potential. It was a sad thing to see but it failed miserably. The system you are proposing is just like that in a lot of ways and i see the same flaws in it as the other one that didn't work. I know it seems like a good idea but alot of the people that whine about becoming JAK's or JATs are not willing to put in the work required or have enough experience(no offense to any of these people that aspire to become a JAK or JAT)to obtain a higher rank. It does seem to make more sense to have a system like that but, from being here quite a while and seeing how things have developed the way it is right now will have to suffice and i believe it works pretty well. Whelp, thats my speel. _______________ "You believe in Failure...which is why you Fail! It is a never-ending cycle." This comment was edited by Gantoris on Mar 07 2004 04:57pm. |
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monkai - Student |
Quote: Guys guys guys listen to me, a man from experience, being a JAK+ isnt all good u know, u get alot of shit that comes with it, sure its cool to have server admin but u have to think like a student most of the time, over look the fact they was laming and think, if i was on the server wot would i do........ being a JAK+ isnt that easy, we get moaned at alot by the upper ranks for being to easy on u guys, if a student complains about us it really is dealt with and we have to explain ourselfs. u guys think its so easy............... believe me it isnt, it doesnt make u any better at the game, people only go for the rank for popularity reasons, u want to be the focal point of the academy. Monteh here is right. Yea sure you get the server admin, but you HARDLY need to use it. Plus if you're JAK you can't take part in any of the tournments except the one thats going on. and except from a lonngg time ago on the ranks page.
Quote:It swings both ways, yes u can be awesomely popular, but that doesnt make u feel any better, personally setting yourself goals and succeeding is much better. JAK+ rank isnt a goal it is a chance.....not a chance thats all highs and no lows. there is alot of site work involved, we have to keep an eye on god knows how many people.......when in the end all we wanna do is play the game just like u guys. Dont let the ranks seperate us, we are a fantastic community and i dont wanna see this tear a line between ranked members and students............ we all make this place work Knights are a "graduated student" And if you DO want ranks just join a clan. This comment was edited by monkai on Mar 07 2004 03:16pm. |
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Hardwired - Retired 
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Quote: If it took 2 years to get the system we have now, it doesn't mean the system is perfect. If it has evolved for 2 years then it can evolve some more. Agreed we shouldn't bring back old methods that are known to be flawed but I bielieve this is somthing new. Well. What this rule does isn't to take the system another leap forward. It will make it take several staps back. We have had a similar system in use once, it didn't work, so we cam up with something new and improved. And for that matter. Some have said that we need more JAK's. Sure we do...but this system will not provide it for us. Insetad it will make the whole process very slow and very time consuming. And trust me...We got enought to do as it is. Myself i balance work, a girlfriend and this. Not to mention that i do have other online intrests...I also moderate a huge techie forum... And most of us have this... SO..in conclusion...it's slow, it's complex, it's time consuming and it's old... _______________ ::Nothing wrong with a little shooting.....as long as the right people get shot:: |
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Thomasooo - Student 
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I agree with what Monty and Bail said. The JAK+ got their ranks because they're great guys and girls. If you focus too much on being ranked, you might as well say: TRIAL ME, I ROCK!!! WOOHOO!!! I WANNA ABUSE ADMIN POWERS!!! The ultimate Academy member respects the rules, respects the staff, and most important: respects his/her fellow students. Just pleeeease let the JAK+ have time to get to know you, and trust them to decide who will make a good JAK... _______________ In the navy and LOVING it!
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Squibit - Student 
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Quote: It was decided that it wasn't a good idea back then and it won't be comming back. Quote: It took the JA about 2 years to get the system we have now If it took 2 years to get the system we have now, it doesn't mean the system is perfect. If it has evolved for 2 years then it can evolve some more. Agreed we shouldn't bring back old methods that are known to be flawed but I bielieve this is somthing new. Quote: I really wanna know how come there was no problem for the JAK rank? I don’t think anyone answered this point yet, is it because people know if they ask for the rank they wont get it ? If so, do that for the others Quote: You can’t trust anyone with the kind of admin powers granted to the JAK+. Well obvioucly some people can be trusted otherwise there would be no JAK+. But anyway I don’t think the idea was that the [jedi] would have any admin powers. Quote: therefore the training proposed here would have to include a prep course for the written test, which defeats the purpose of the written test Quote: You suggest training, training suggests skill, and ….. skill isn’t the most important factor in becoming a JAK or not Ok, why can you not be trained for a written test, Why does training have to be game skill based, why does the use of the word skill refer to game ability, Surely the ability to hand trouble makers, teach others, set good examples etc. are all skills ? What difference does it make if you answer the written test after a year of training under an experienced JAK+ who has helped you to realise how to behave well in the ja community, or if you answer it having figured it all out yourself? If this is a place just to learn the game JK then …. Well it isn’t ! The whole Arts and sciences program idea clearly shows this. I would be very disappointed if I couldn’t go to my master and ask for advice in social situations and have training on how to handle complex situations! Sure you can train for the written test, Of course skill is the most important factor of being a JAK, not game skill perhaps but skills defiantly. Quote: Meh the academy doesn’t have ranks …. Merely titles Quote: Now, why do people keep saying this Jedi position is a rank? Rank comes with authority… that’s how it is rank : A relative position in a society. JAK+ are only ones to have OFFICIAL padawa An official position or grade So this Jedi position would not be a grade, if so I don’t understand what you are suggesting? A relative position or degree of value in a graded group. The academy must value the “ranked” member more than most students right ? (key word most) High or eminent station or position: persons of rank. Well every one calls the staff, and that is a station / position. A high or eminent one ? well maybe only the JACs have “Ranks” ? Quote: Make me a knight cuz I deserve it! “NO !” you just ruined you chances for at least half a year in which time MAYBE you will have matured, That’s one less person we have to keep an eye on then , WOO HOO. This figuring out if people are ready for jak is really easy some times, NEXT ! Quote: A jedi academy graduation? The whole point of the JA is to let go of school We have trainers, we have students, we have classes, we (hopefully) have fun learning. All of these are found in a good school Obvioucly all IMHO MTFBWY ! _______________ Quote: fiZZe: its SIR Fizzy Fluffy :p Quote: FiZZ[JAK]: that was what I call a counter Ah, things you only ever expect to hear once
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Bail Hope of Belouve - Student 
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I must admit that when I first came here, I was all for the Rank. I wanted to be a teacher, cuz I ow so ruled (in my own mind...) When I got here, I made lots and lots of friends, and met people I will never forget again. Right now, I don't really care about the rank anymore. Though I try to still act like I used to, by helping people, offering advice, giving tours around the map, answering people's questions and so on. Sure, I still want to become a JAK, but this is no longer a priority for me. If it happens, then it happens. if it doesn't, then it doesn't. I can help people just as well when I'm a JAP, although I'm usually the one that needs help Well, anyway, I joined after the previous ranks like Journeyman and such were forgotten, and I don't know the previous system. But I must agree with what Buzz said, and that is: If you include such a system, people will only want to move up the ranks, and won't care about anything else. So, I'm quite happy with the system we now have. And I'm sure that if there is a better system out there, that they will invent it one day. -- Bail -- _______________ Visit the Belouve Family Website! Quote: I try to have fun with my friends and try to make a difference as best I can. What does making a difference mean? Well, it can be as simple as saying hello, answering a question that seems obvious or heck, just talking. -- Vladarion
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Monteeeeeee - Nugget
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Guys guys guys listen to me, a man from experience, being a JAK+ isnt all good u know, u get alot of shit that comes with it, sure its cool to have server admin but u have to think like a student most of the time, over look the fact they was laming and think, if i was on the server wot would i do........ being a JAK+ isnt that easy, we get moaned at alot by the upper ranks for being to easy on u guys, if a student complains about us it really is dealt with and we have to explain ourselfs. u guys think its so easy............... believe me it isnt, it doesnt make u any better at the game, people only go for the rank for popularity reasons, u want to be the focal point of the academy. It swings both ways, yes u can be awesomely popular, but that doesnt make u feel any better, personally setting yourself goals and succeeding is much better. JAK+ rank isnt a goal it is a chance.....not a chance thats all highs and no lows. there is alot of site work involved, we have to keep an eye on god knows how many people.......when in the end all we wanna do is play the game just like u guys. Dont let the ranks seperate us, we are a fantastic community and i dont wanna see this tear a line between ranked members and students............ we all make this place work _______________ If you add me to MSN, tell me who you are
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Flash - Student 
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Quote: cmad do not EVER assume what i do and do not want to do. If you have an assumption, take it up with me. He didn't make an assumption, he asked a question. There is a difference. |
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Mreoton - Student |
Quote: a Jedi Academy graduation? the whole point of the JA is to let go of school! This is a skool AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!  |
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