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Sared - Retired  |
This is in refrence to the Meeting held today, for more explaining, check out the transcript.
The purpose of this system will not only encourage stundents to participate in more gun fights, but its main goal is better equip students to play (and not get utterly destroyed) on Gun FFA servers. Aside from this, it will give the students something else to work for and achieve, especially students who simply prefer guns over lightsabers. If you have played 'America's Army: Operations', then you willl be familliar with its weapons ranking system. If not, allow me to decribe it in small detail. You are only ranked on one weapon but the system goes like this. You are given forty targets to hit. You must hit a minimum of twenty-three targets to pass and earn the minimum ranking, hit 30 for a higher rank, and 36 to get the best possible ranking. This is not precicesly what I would like to see implemented in the Jedi Academy, but it provides a good model and framework for it. Students would select on their profile which weapons they wish to specialize in. They would then attend 'Guns Schools' (rather than classes). After they have attended the required amount of schools then they would be allowed to be tested (rather than trialed) for the ranking they are hoping for. Some schools will require you to have a certian ranking to enroll. Some of these classes may have force disabled and others may use full force powers for certian conditions. I have already spoken to Huxley about this and he said that he would consider making a map for these classes, by all means, please do not hold Huxley to this, he has only expressed intrest, not commitment (yet). _______________ I'm crazy, not stupid. This post was edited by Sared on Feb 15 2003 04:50pm. |
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Jake Kainite - Student 
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Yo pepsi, if you need a test dummy to praccy your CTF routes on and stuff (to show the others how to cut people off, or where to go when being followed whilst capping) I'd be more than happy. We will meet again, and I will outcap you this time (sorry for all the anti team stuff but this is personal) _______________ Apprenctice of Jedi Master Ascari (deceased) Descended from a line of great Jedi Will argue any point of view from any side
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ioshee - Student 
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It sounds good, but I don't think you should get the rank of "Knight" for being good solely with guns. Knight goes hand in hand with the saber. You could get the rank of General or something (like Han and Lando,) but not Jedi Knight, in my bumble(ing) opinion. _______________ One of the Belouve boys |
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Buzz - Student 
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You know I agree that you should know how to do well when using guns. I've never felt the need to really do it though. Guns are in all multiplayer shooters basically. You want a guns only game go play quake 3 or unreal tournament, or God knows how many other ones there are. I think there's a pretty wide split between players that use guns and players that use sabers only. It probably gets split somewhere along the lines of star wars fan vs. first person shooter fan. I think someone that could actually be called GOOD at this game could kill someone with gun using a saber or kill someone with a saber using a gun. If it were just swords however I'd say a gun would almost always win. To use a saber effectively requires using the Force. I've never done a sabers vs. guns game before but if there wasn't some equality between the two don't you think it would make that game lopsided by a wide margin? _______________ When you are going through Hell, keep going. -Sir Winston Churchill. Those who seek power and control of others, no matter the level, no matter the intentions, should never be given it. |
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Fandango - Ex-Student |
Pepsi a bryar god? I would like to see how well you perform against acidic.  _______________ Can you protect me from yourself? |
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Bubu - Hubbub 
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my saber is better than your gun! uh-uh!
j/k pepsi i respect your opinion and i hope you can someday teach me some of those skillz you claim to have and i'll teach you some of mine  _______________ make install -not war This comment was edited by Bubu on Feb 18 2003 05:47am. |
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Pepsi - Ex-Student |
Hmm. As you mentioned, mindofsin, both guns and sabers have their place in the academy (I'm actually starting to like duelling, who would have thought that???), but as in any other school grades should be handed out based on knowledge on the different subjects at hand. Here is where the 'medals' or 'badges' come in. I for one would probably not even get the noob badge at dueling or saber only ffa, but the master badge (yes, I'm bragging a bit, so what?) in ctf and 'knight' or something in any guns based game.
As it is now, I stand little chance of advancing anywhere at all, as I understand it that the exams are a LOT about saber techniques and stuff like that. Not that it bothers me that much, but still. And besides, to be genuinely good at this game, you should be able to hold your own with both the saber and the gun, and in a wide variety of gametypes. I can imagine that for those who always finish last in a ctf game that particular gametype is no fun at all and vice versa (which I know to be true, since I suck with the saber)
Anyways... this was just my point of view, and maybe something for the council to consider. For you JAT's and other instructors out there: If you need any help organizing and/or teaching any type of ctf, movement, gunning (instagib in particular) and/or team strategies I'd be happy to help. I tried my best with ShadowSith's class and got very good response from it (thank you for that, btw). Gun on! /Pepsi |
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MINDofSIN - Student 
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I think it's relatively safe to say that both sabers and guns have their places in the Academy.
I wouldn't want separate paths for each though. _______________ Jedi Academy Holocron http://jaholocron.ryanmh.com/ Why should our government send our soldiers to foreign soil to protect freedom of speech, when our freedom of speech is being taking away everyday by the same government. |
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Ruuk Haviser - Retired 
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this *is* star wars, and this *is* the jedi academy. so, to follow tradition, you learn and lean on the lightsaber and the force. those are two wonderful things that makes jkii so different from any other fps game. i do, however, understand the use and importance of other weapons in the game...but when i play single-player i almost exclusively use the saber/force. secondary importance: sniping with the pistol and disrupter, and demp2 for the big machines. to play well on multiplayer, i'm going to go out on a limb and say that to be good you're probably going to have to be at least half-decent with most weapons. no one is right and no one is wrong. it's all how you look at it and play it. i don't think arguing about it is of any importance whatsoever. _______________ Back from the dead... |
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Sared - Retired 
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Alright, to be frank (no offense Master) the discussion is starting to sound like this:
"My Saber is better than your gun!" "Nu-uh!" "Uh-uh!" "Nu-uh!" "Uh-uh!" Sound's a bit childish does it not? When I starting thinking about a weapons system then I tried to make it so that Guns Lovers and Lightsaber Purists would not have to interfere with each other. The saberists could do their own thing and the gunners could have something to call their own. Please try to keep the peace around here you guys. _______________ I'm crazy, not stupid. |
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Pepsi - Ex-Student |
Fyi: The Jedi_Prodigy vs Pepsi fight was Bryar vs Saber and not guns in general, and I never said that I could beat you. I said I might, and I usually beat noobs playing bryar vs saber. He was no noob, so he knew when to hold still and deflect Still I had him down to 30/0 from 100/100 and a bacta tank the second time we tried it. Congrats, btw, JP.
Thank you for your interest, Charon. I'm sure a lot of ppl agree with you. As for intentionally agitating ppl... Ofcourse I am. Agitation means "stirring up", if I can stir up enough ppl to want to learn how to use guns and move really fast there will be a good deal many better ctf players than there are now, and that's my "higher aim" if you want it. Also, if you read the entire post you will notice that I changed my mind about humiliating and demeaning the guy who wrote the silly remark in the FAQ 'forum'. Part because I noticed a lot of ppl here need help, and part because I thought it was just silly, and definitely beneath me. Now... I don't think I forgot anything, but if I did, I'm sure one of you will remind me. So that's it for now, dear agitated ppl.
/Pepsi Now... today there will be a ctf class, and the instructor there (ShadowSith) asked me to participate so I can show ppl how to move, as well as where, to go as fast as possible. This is something that requires a good deal of exercise and trust me when I say you can't read about it and then know how to do. |
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Charon - Ex-Student 
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That's enough, weither Prodigy won or not, this has to be said. Pepsi, this post has been nothing but attitude out of you, and we don't need that here. You admit you might be wrong about saber tactics, fine, and I know firearms just as well as I know my saber, I'll take the saber any day. I've been playing MP online games for long enough to adapt to any one of them quickly.
And then you go and make a comment implying that you're intentionally agitating people? Great job, you hit a soft spot by attacking somone elses skill, real big man of you. That behaviour is also not needed here. If you don't like something, there are a few ways to do something about it around here. You can bring it to the council, bring it up publicly to create support for your decision so it will reach the council with more weight, which you've started to do, or you can moan and grumble and pass out insulting remarks, which you excell at. There is a fourth option, if you don't like it, you can also just leave. --Charon _______________ spirit's searing pain battlefield of broken glass fallen speak to me --Charon |
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JP - Academy Pimp 
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Pepsi and I settle this little dispute on the servers, and it is proven the the lightsaber is mighter than the gun. carry on
PS GO BUBU! _______________ Come on now, every Generation X boy wanted to be Luke Skywalker. Is it because he was a whiney farm boy from some backwater hack planet? No, it's because he was a FREAKING JEDI. He could block lasers with his lightsaber. He could levitate droids & rocks & crap with his mind. Come on, he choked two pig dudes with just a simple gesture. He cut off Darth Vader's hand and kicked him down a flight of stairs. He got his @$$ zapped by lightning from the geezer Emperor, stood up and said "s'at all you got b!tc#??" This comment was edited by JP on Feb 17 2003 03:16am. |
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Bubu - Hubbub
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lol pepsi you got me wrong. in case you didn't notice i basically reposted what you said only changed the key words to show you what it sounded like. that's all and i still don't like the cockyness... we are here to try to uphold jedi-like qualities so please... _______________ make install -not war |
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Pepsi - Ex-Student |
Hehe. Finally the discussions are flourishing (or burning like Dantes Inferno, mayhaps).
Anyways... to start with, I would like to point out (for those who just get angry about my post and not read the starting argument of the discussion) WHY the council wanted to start doing (more) guns classes. Quote: "The purpose of this system will not only encourage stundents to participate in more gun fights, but its main goal is better equip students to play (and not get utterly destroyed) on Gun FFA servers." End quote. The council is aware of the fact that saber vs rocket launcher is highly unfair, and the saber comes out second best in 9999 cases of 10000 in a full force game, and about 9999 out of 100 (yes, I can count) in a no force game. In reply to Jedi_Prodigy: Maybe, and maybe not. I've never seen you in a guns ffa game, but I think I could hold my own. Most of the kills I make on ffa servers is with bryar, since that's the only gun you get when you respawn, and for some reason I've managed to finish in the top 3 every time I play. In reply to BuBu: Am I to take that as an invitation to play saber vs guns, where you'd be using the saber? If so, then please tell me where to be and at what time. I'll make sure to demo it so the rest of the academy can watch it and enjoy your humiliation (even though I think they would appreciate mine more). As long as we both ping 150 or less I'm up for it. Yes, ofcourse I like the idea of having it split up in two parts. In case you haven't noticed, I sort of came up with the idea (*doh*). In reply to MINDofSIN(again): I see you accepted the challenge, which is nice. I have emailed you with further details, and expect to see you on #ja channel on irc.enterthegame.com somewhere between 4pm and 11pm GMT tomorrow. As for "all the gun tactics could be covered in a class or two". This reflects pretty good what I think about the saber, and we're both obviously wrong. What differs me from you is that I know I'm wrong, and you seem not to. Just as there is more to the saber than 3 stances and a throw, there's more to the guns than "shooting straight, lobbing, zooming, and homing", but you will probably never learn that, since you seem to be so puffed up in your belief that multiplayer is like singleplayer and killing is best done with a saber or some lightning.... Gun on! /Pepsi, your not-so-humble owner PS. This agitation business is coming along quite good, and the lobbying seems to be paying off as well. Now I just have to defeat everybody challenging me, but how hard can that be?
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JP - Academy Pimp 
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let me get this right Pepsi, ur sayin if we went 1 on 1 and u had a Byrar and i had a lightsaber, ud beat me???? _______________ Come on now, every Generation X boy wanted to be Luke Skywalker. Is it because he was a whiney farm boy from some backwater hack planet? No, it's because he was a FREAKING JEDI. He could block lasers with his lightsaber. He could levitate droids & rocks & crap with his mind. Come on, he choked two pig dudes with just a simple gesture. He cut off Darth Vader's hand and kicked him down a flight of stairs. He got his @$$ zapped by lightning from the geezer Emperor, stood up and said "s'at all you got b!tc#??" This comment was edited by JP on Feb 16 2003 09:36pm. |
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MINDofSIN - Student 
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Arcuss, bear my children. _______________ Jedi Academy Holocron http://jaholocron.ryanmh.com/ Why should our government send our soldiers to foreign soil to protect freedom of speech, when our freedom of speech is being taking away everyday by the same government. |
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SirBizNatch - Student 
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i like the medals system too. maybe there could be other challenges that you could get medals in too like movement or sumthin. _______________ Personal body guard to teh 1337 Jacen Aratan! Midbie Council Memeber||Member of the Almighty FiZZsters |
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Sared - Retired 
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Yeah, what Shannon said _______________ I'm crazy, not stupid. |
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Shannon -SC- - Student 
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I'd love the idea to get badges or medals for doing well in a obstacle, or such. This would be apart of any class/rank, but it would encourage ppl to go for it and thus honing their skills. (We could make the badges/medals viewable in the profil) _______________ Falling from heaven is not as painfull, as surviving the impact. |
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(SKX) Dark Blade - Student 
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hehe arcuss is so hard on himself. _______________ What is the difference between love and Herpes? Herpes lasts forever. (CDC joke) Padawans: Trad Redav, Darth Jello, Tallepyon, Shang Chi, Dopp, Karlin Duke, AuroN, Koushka, Damon, and Katan Brother to Xanatos |
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Arcuss - Student 
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Be prepared to laugh. |
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MINDofSIN - Student
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All the gun tactics could be covered in a class or two.
Their are no gun specific players. I think it would be stupid to have two different paths when both skills should be known. Guns and force powers are not used as much as they should be but we don't need a separate path. If you don't like sabers, go to some gun classes. We have one or two. Ask people to gunfight in the courtyard. A knight or trainer who couldn't weild a saber better than most in the JEDI Academy would be laughable. I'll take you up on that challenge. _______________ Jedi Academy Holocron http://jaholocron.ryanmh.com/ Why should our government send our soldiers to foreign soil to protect freedom of speech, when our freedom of speech is being taking away everyday by the same government. This comment was edited by MINDofSIN on Feb 16 2003 02:31pm. |
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Battlin' Billy - Student 
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I like the ideas about learning guns. As for a separate ranking system, I don't really care. However the council sees fit to handle that aspect of it is up to them, I'm sure they'll do fine. To me I'd at least like to have the class(es) available. I personally like both sabres and guns.
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Trad Redav - Student 
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lol bubu
i think it's a good idea, the only gun i would consider going after is the demp 2, though _______________ Well then. Just so you know, just because I don't post often doesn't mean I don't lurk this place multiple times every day... |
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Bubu - Hubbub
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reply to pepsi:
1. you obviously haven't met any good saberists. if you want a challenge then play me NF FF or whatever. If you beat me, I'll never use a saber again. I have a server we can use for this. 2. You should like the idea of having the academy split into two 'fractions' then, where ppl who don't wanna touch sabers don't have to to advance, and ppl (like me) who thinks guns are silly don't have to waste time shooting. you don't like this post? i wonder why! _______________ make install -not war |
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