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OveRSp3D - ex-Student  |
I am just wondering is saber spamming allowed, i have seen some players do it on publik dualing servers and i started seeing it on JA servers as soon as i joined. on some publik servers saber spamming is mostly avoided because players(like me^^) start to complain. Saber spamming(for those that dont know what this is) is when you press attack and move your mouse alot horesontaly wich lets you hit your enemy many times. I dont what to start doing that because i dont know if this is allowed and dont want to break any rules. But if this is allowed, then its not fair in my opinion. sorry about any of spelling errors. I hope you got the poin. _______________ La la |
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Janiriki - Student 
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hmmm everyone develops their own style of fighting, and everyone (hopefully) continues to learn throughout life. If someone is using the same attack all the time ... perhaps they have stopped learning? Perhaps they haven't been shown anything else? Perhaps I'm barking up the wrong tree ... but then perhaps not. In RL combatants learn one attack at a time & then move on to another when they have a firm grasp of it, usually they start with what ther PERCIEVE as the easiest attack, it is of course not always so (as Obi has mentioned in this thread). Sometimes people just need the curtains pulled away from the windows to see the light, and then hopefully they will enjoy what they see, if they don't - that's a pity for them, but hasseling them about it won't change their minds. My advice ... if you wish to learn / master a technique then use it, but also learn to counter it, and most importantly dont use it exclusivley (or someone will come allong & teach you the folly of your ways). If you don't like others using it, learn to counter it (try asking someone who uses it to help) - then it will no longer be such a bother to you. But MOST importantly, I'm afraid this thread will never reach a conclusion, people are individuals and will always have differing opinions, jury's are often hung and they only consist of 12 members. May the force be with you all. Janiriki _______________ Proud to be Padawan to Sared "It's not over 'till I WIN!!!" Les Brown |If at first you don't succeed...you're doing about average! «§pecial ©haracters guide» | Winners never quit & quitters never win! |
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Notation - Student 
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I try not to, but sometimes when I do a jump-swing with red stance I'll end up not somersaulting in the air and accidentally do it.  I also don't really mind if it's just every once and a while since that means you have less of a chance of hitting someone because you're not doing it over and over. It's only when someone spams it (it applies to the thread, now!  ) constantly and can only hit with it and nothing else. I've seen one or two people doing it, unfortunately. This comment was edited by Notation on Apr 29 2004 01:14pm. |
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dur hur hur! |
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Vier'na - Ex-Student 
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oops... _______________ "Throughout life, one should not miss any chance to hold on to the things that are really precious... if one is truely wise" |
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lmao! That's a different kinda spam renee |
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Vier'na - Ex-Student
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bah... spammerz! /looks in the mirror... oops.. _______________ "Throughout life, one should not miss any chance to hold on to the things that are really precious... if one is truely wise" |
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3th - Retired 
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notation, i had no idea that was a bug. i try to mix in that move every now and then. i guess i never thought of it that way since it actually requires the player to execute a series of moves to pull off. so much for me thinking Raven might have hidden cool moves deep in the game i'm going to live in my little dream world until Raven announces it's a bug   _______________ this is the internet, be serious damn it! |
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Notation - Student
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The only spinning I have a problem with is at the end of a dual saber kata. Yes, it's perfectly counterable, but it is very cheap when someone spins as the sabers are coming into their hands and hits the person that is lunging when they shouldn't have been able to normally. Spinning during the actual kata is fine in my book since it wouldn't make much of a difference anyway. And while I'm at it, another thing I've seen a few people exploit is the delayed attack move, that is wholly and truly a bug, whether it be in the game design or in the JAR mod (I don't know which). They'll jump forward in the air (not the somersault), just barely start a move so that it's not noticable, appear to just land in front of the person, then suddenly have their saber swinging out in front of them--very cheap, only because it's an actual exploit. That's my two bits. This comment was edited by Notation on Apr 27 2004 01:15pm. |
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Steinin - Student 
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Quote: Why? What if you want a high sens to play with guns? Is being able to turn fast cheating? Is the fact some people might not enjoy having to do 3 full mousemat crosses with their mouse to turn 180 degrees cheating? No offence, but a maxsens of 2 is like saying, 'let's make 640x480 max resolution, so everybody gets good FPS, because if someone else has higher FPS, it's cheating'... You do realize that I was joking, right?  Right? _______________ 362 Ohi on! |
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SS/ph00d - Student 
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Aratan in JK2 it was all about yaw_speed mate My sensitivity is at 15 because I like guns a lot etc.. But if you want to spam a move, go ahead and do it, if your opponent does this, find a way to counter it, don't whine like a baby. If you want to spin around like you do ballet, go ahead, it's what ever your little heart disires. I don't do it because you can end up facing the opposite direction and get lunged up the arse So, it doesn't matter if you spin rapidly when doing moves. It doesn't matter if you pretend your superman like Thomas, and use all your force when you jump It doesn't matter how you duel, it's your own way and everyone should respect that.Just try and have fun and get along, this Academy is not JUST for saber dueling, you can Force duel and Gun duel. _______________ -ShadowSith: CTF/gunner specialist. |
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Carda Jowol - Student 
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I agree with Ww, its not cheating u have to know to use this move right to make it work, in ww case he has and his gd at it, not rule saying we can't and its no cheating, cus I do it and I haven't change my sensitivatly I just learned to do it and adapted it in to my fighting style. _______________ [Gran Father/Founder of the Jowols] |
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Jacen Aratan - Student |
Quote: Why don't we add maxsensitivity of 2 into the mod. Exploit that, you half-cheaters. Why? What if you want a high sens to play with guns? Is being able to turn fast cheating? Is the fact some people might not enjoy having to do 3 full mousemat crosses with their mouse to turn 180 degrees cheating? No offence, but a maxsens of 2 is like saying, 'let's make 640x480 max resolution, so everybody gets good FPS, because if someone else has higher FPS, it's cheating'... |
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Steinin - Student
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Why don't we add maxsensitivity of 2 into the mod. Exploit that, you half-cheaters. _______________ 362 Ohi on! |
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VIPER or BlaCk - Student |
The spinning is part of the game... high sens is part of the game..... SO USE IT EVERYTHING is beatable and if you cant find a way to beat it.... dont go complaing on forums, try to counter it. _______________ Some say VIPER is just a LEGEND............but my friend........he is a REALITY |
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Mookie - Ex-Student 
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It's true, Obi-Wan doesn't depend on them totally. My comments were also more general, but of people I know who use the technique, I know Obi-Wan the best. Don't consider it as a personal comment, but rather the use of a familiar example. I wasn't trying to be offensive. That being said, I still say it goes against the way the designers meant you to play it, but I also realize people fight the way they want to fight. |
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Squibit - Student 
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I have always had high sens since I played jk1, It helped me to turn faster to always look at my opponent (newbie lesson). Sicne they I always had it high (15-20) but didnt spin, only about amonth after playing jk3 i found out about spinning. I dont think its a glitch as such. Spinning in red mostly gets me killed anyway. Spinning with specials (such as duals barrier) seems to make it harder to see the end and hit harder if my opponent messes up the counter. But most decent players can still lunge counter barrier perfectly well. I was show by someone (sorry forgot your name). A way to do a double damage hit, similar to the effect of the spin but looks much less spammy Somthing like swinging right, after it has sliced them turn left to rehit. But I sucked at it Agree that you should be able to counter a move spammer, but disagree that spinning is wrong and strongly disagree with high sens being wrong as: 1) can use high sens and not spin 2) can have low sens and still spin (well default at least _______________ Quote: fiZZe: its SIR Fizzy Fluffy :p Quote: FiZZ[JAK]: that was what I call a counter Ah, things you only ever expect to hear once
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Tido - Student 
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I'm with WW/Obi-wan 100% and I can tell you that he has no dependancy on these 'sens moves'. Trust me, he doesn't need one to pwn me (not that its a hard thing to do for you folks ). I am always impressed and I commend Obi-wan for his skill. -Not that there is any reason he shouldn't use these moves. They are part of the game...JK designers knew about it in JK2, and still left it in JK3. But more importantly who cares? It's just a game! When you die to a sens move, you get angry - not because a sense of justice rises in you against the 'wrong this person has committed,' but because your pride just took a beating. He set the trap, and you fell for it hook, line, and sinker. To get frustrated about this is a waste of energy. We are here to have fun. When someone kills you with a sens move, you have to laugh at yourself for falling into that hole, and commend your opponent for his awesome timing and execution. If you get upset because you died then this isn't the game for you ! No matter which way one defeats you he still has won - kudos to him! Be happy for him! It saddens me deeply to see that someone's frustration over this could lead them so far as to make a personal attack on one's character  . I am glad to see Obi-wan defend himself against this acusation of so-called 'dishonor' - a matter I'm sure he takes seriously in his life. It's a shame that some people can consider another less of a man just because of a move they use in a game. Remember guys: sabers and blasters are ok, but check your egos at the door . This comment was edited by Tido on Apr 26 2004 04:13pm. |
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Dante Valmont - Retired 
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You should be happy if someone spins like crazy it, advantage goes to you You sustain more damage when spinning wildly liek that and your strikes will do next to nothing if the person isn't direclt next to you. _______________ "A teacher is one who makes himself progressively unnecessary" |
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Jacen Aratan - Student |
I agree with WW, all the way. Trust me when I say this...... it's not just about jumping and spinning. It's as WW said. I do it, and I lose 9/10 duels. OK, my sens is at 4, granted, but I have my mouse acceleration at 0.5... is it just me, or has this argument about sens spinning only appeared in JK3? I never saw it in JK2, personally.. |
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Flash - Student 
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So people spin around alot. Who cares? Learn to counter it, you'll become a better dueler. It doesn't matter to me how much Wolfwood uses it (and he doesn't use it as much as people say), I'm going to keep fighting him because he's a great dueler and it's a good challenge. |
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Jake Kainite - Student 
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If you wanna spam, go ahead Theres not really anything anyone can do to stop you, you play the game the way YOU want to. _______________ Apprenctice of Jedi Master Ascari (deceased) Descended from a line of great Jedi Will argue any point of view from any side
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Wolfwood - Student 
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Alright, now I feel this my place to step in and speak up. I already said some things earlier but I decided to delete those. But before this gets out of hand, Ill speak up. First: As kenyon said. Its defenately not Lack of Skill or technique. Trust me when I say this. There is much more to it then simple spinning your mouse in circles. Because if you do I can tell you this: You will lose. Its all about judging at what time its safe to use it and at what time its better to back out with a normal swing. However on the subject of making your red Faster. That im affraid is not true. See, the damage of a swing only comes when its actually swinging. The first part of a red swing is harmless because the saber will be preparing to swing itself forward. You wont do any damage. You can spin aroud as fast as you want, but you still wont do any damage. It may look faster but you wont do damage because the swing is not "Swinging". Second: The way you use this (if used properly) is that you fight with normal swings all the time. until you see an opening for a sens swing. If you time it wrong, youll likely die because the other players move will hit you. The way I use sens is basically 1 out of 10 swings. Thats right.... 1 out of 10. But because I have the reputation of being a sens fighter, Everyone somehow manages to see me constantly using it. You may see me turning around fast to be facing my opponent again but I dont swing while doing so. Ever seen me fight yellow? I dont use sens at all then. Third: About the modded server ken. I would really have thought you would have understood that I was joking. I thought you ment it as a joke so I continued on it. I find it pretty mean that you used that line I said there against me since we are talking about the Movie battles mod which has a completely different saber system and the reason I am a lousy saberist there is because I simple havent had the time to learn it yet. I can surely fight without Sens and I have proved that last night on the JAA battle against TLG where they said they didnt want use of Sens so I kicked my sensitivity back to 3 and made sure I did not use it. To finish my statement let me add this. In the game Jedi-academy there are much more then 1 exploit which I see being used a lot on the servers as well. Now I dont complain about that either, but if you guys feel that sens isnt Honorable and that it is cheap. Then I suggest you start flaming the other exploits as well... Just my 2 cents, If I have offended anyone by saying this, It was defenately not my intention but its just something I had to get off my mind _______________ ~ Honor is a fool's prize. Glory is of no use to the dead ~ This comment was edited by Wolfwood on Apr 26 2004 12:47pm. |
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(Jedi)Obi-JK - Student 
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couldnt you still have your sens set to default but use a track ball, and spin it as fast as you can, maybe multiple times for one move. _______________ Silent Bob (Kevin Smith): You know, there's a million fine looking women in the world, dude. But they don't all bring you lasagna at work. Most of 'em just cheat on you. -Steve (Obi) |
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Mookie - Ex-Student 
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That isn't entirely to the point though. Yeah, it's an eternally raging argument, and like Hardwired says, at the Academy, we can't dictate how people fight. If you don't want to fight people who use it, then don't. The fights are voluntary. However, I also agree with other people on this thread (and I have been known to firmly say this to practicioners of 'sens whores') that the move is an exploit, a way of fighting designers didn't anticipate when creating the game. Red is *meant* to be slow, that's why it is strong. To make it faster by messing with your sensitivity is not honorable. It is not lack of skill: handling a high sensitivity fight isn't easy, as Wolfwood once demonstrated. But that's not the point: regardless of skill it remains an exploit, and a very unfavorable at that. We (people who don't use it) have to deal with it and learn to fight it, but it's still a fluke in the natural evolution of fighting in this game. I don't support it at all, and think of it as a sign of lack of personal strengtht rather than skill. It is one thing to judge and critize those who use it: it is another to tell them to stop. Like I mentioned in the beginning of this post, fighting people with that "style" is voluntary. Like Wolfwood said in a modded server a few days ago where the saber system didn't allow those fast spins: 'I can't play like this, no spins!'... I think that's a very defining statement. Of course, Wolfwood and myself are good friends and we play on a lot of public servers together, but because we are honest with eachother, he knows I don't support his use of sensitivity (regardless if he says he doesn't use high sensitivity, everyone can see that somehow his moves can be way faster than what a normal game allows: might be higher normal Windows sensitivity). ~Ken |
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(Jedi)Obi-JK - Student
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So im on this public clan server ( honestly cant remeber the name ) the whole clan is new to the JK series in general not just JK3, but they have learned a few things. They all seemed to favor the long slow red swings to the right, but didnt quite understand how open they were at the end. So I took it upon myself to just lunge at them at the right moment everytime they did this, note: it was the only thing they ever did. After this one guy/gal lost to me about 5 times in a row, I tried politely to tell him/her that if he used that swing in a less offensive manner it wouldn't be so easy to counter. At this point I quickly realized I had been dueling a man, I was trying to be nice, but it still bruised his ego. I apologized, for upsetting him then he started in on me about how I was lunge "spammer" my reply was simple. "I only lunged at you everytime you did a specific attack." immediate reply from him: "You can spam a normal move, spamming only applies to special moves, like katas, or those lunges you love spamming!" I pause for a moment in utter disbelif.......... Me: "Um you can spam any move, no?" And I was kicked from the server. I would have to say my favorite part of the story is that this is the 1st peron I meet, who seemed to beleive you can only spam "special" moves. Can anyone explain to me where people get these ideas? _______________ Silent Bob (Kevin Smith): You know, there's a million fine looking women in the world, dude. But they don't all bring you lasagna at work. Most of 'em just cheat on you. -Steve (Obi) |
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