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OveRSp3D - ex-Student  |
I am just wondering is saber spamming allowed, i have seen some players do it on publik dualing servers and i started seeing it on JA servers as soon as i joined. on some publik servers saber spamming is mostly avoided because players(like me^^) start to complain. Saber spamming(for those that dont know what this is) is when you press attack and move your mouse alot horesontaly wich lets you hit your enemy many times. I dont what to start doing that because i dont know if this is allowed and dont want to break any rules. But if this is allowed, then its not fair in my opinion. sorry about any of spelling errors. I hope you got the poin. _______________ La la |
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Squibit - Student 
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I have always had high sens since I played jk1, It helped me to turn faster to always look at my opponent (newbie lesson). Sicne they I always had it high (15-20) but didnt spin, only about amonth after playing jk3 i found out about spinning. I dont think its a glitch as such. Spinning in red mostly gets me killed anyway. Spinning with specials (such as duals barrier) seems to make it harder to see the end and hit harder if my opponent messes up the counter. But most decent players can still lunge counter barrier perfectly well. I was show by someone (sorry forgot your name). A way to do a double damage hit, similar to the effect of the spin but looks much less spammy Somthing like swinging right, after it has sliced them turn left to rehit. But I sucked at it  Agree that you should be able to counter a move spammer, but disagree that spinning is wrong and strongly disagree with high sens being wrong as: 1) can use high sens and not spin 2) can have low sens and still spin (well default at least _______________ Quote: fiZZe: its SIR Fizzy Fluffy :p Quote: FiZZ[JAK]: that was what I call a counter Ah, things you only ever expect to hear once 
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Tido - Student 
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I'm with WW/Obi-wan 100% and I can tell you that he has no dependancy on these 'sens moves'. Trust me, he doesn't need one to pwn me (not that its a hard thing to do for you folks ). I am always impressed and I commend Obi-wan for his skill. -Not that there is any reason he shouldn't use these moves. They are part of the game...JK designers knew about it in JK2, and still left it in JK3. But more importantly who cares? It's just a game! When you die to a sens move, you get angry - not because a sense of justice rises in you against the 'wrong this person has committed,' but because your pride just took a beating. He set the trap, and you fell for it hook, line, and sinker. To get frustrated about this is a waste of energy. We are here to have fun. When someone kills you with a sens move, you have to laugh at yourself for falling into that hole, and commend your opponent for his awesome timing and execution. If you get upset because you died then this isn't the game for you ! No matter which way one defeats you he still has won - kudos to him! Be happy for him! It saddens me deeply to see that someone's frustration over this could lead them so far as to make a personal attack on one's character  . I am glad to see Obi-wan defend himself against this acusation of so-called 'dishonor' - a matter I'm sure he takes seriously in his life. It's a shame that some people can consider another less of a man just because of a move they use in a game. Remember guys: sabers and blasters are ok, but check your egos at the door . This comment was edited by Tido on Apr 26 2004 04:13pm. |
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Dante Valmont - Retired 
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You should be happy if someone spins like crazy it, advantage goes to you You sustain more damage when spinning wildly liek that and your strikes will do next to nothing if the person isn't direclt next to you. _______________ "A teacher is one who makes himself progressively unnecessary" |
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Jacen Aratan - Student |
I agree with WW, all the way. Trust me when I say this...... it's not just about jumping and spinning. It's as WW said. I do it, and I lose 9/10 duels. OK, my sens is at 4, granted, but I have my mouse acceleration at 0.5... is it just me, or has this argument about sens spinning only appeared in JK3? I never saw it in JK2, personally.. |
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Flash - Student 
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So people spin around alot. Who cares? Learn to counter it, you'll become a better dueler. It doesn't matter to me how much Wolfwood uses it (and he doesn't use it as much as people say), I'm going to keep fighting him because he's a great dueler and it's a good challenge. |
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Jake Kainite - Student 
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If you wanna spam, go ahead  Theres not really anything anyone can do to stop you, you play the game the way YOU want to. _______________ Apprenctice of Jedi Master Ascari (deceased) Descended from a line of great Jedi Will argue any point of view from any side
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Wolfwood - Student 
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Alright, now I feel this my place to step in and speak up. I already said some things earlier but I decided to delete those. But before this gets out of hand, Ill speak up. First: As kenyon said. Its defenately not Lack of Skill or technique. Trust me when I say this. There is much more to it then simple spinning your mouse in circles. Because if you do I can tell you this: You will lose. Its all about judging at what time its safe to use it and at what time its better to back out with a normal swing. However on the subject of making your red Faster. That im affraid is not true. See, the damage of a swing only comes when its actually swinging. The first part of a red swing is harmless because the saber will be preparing to swing itself forward. You wont do any damage. You can spin aroud as fast as you want, but you still wont do any damage. It may look faster but you wont do damage because the swing is not "Swinging". Second: The way you use this (if used properly) is that you fight with normal swings all the time. until you see an opening for a sens swing. If you time it wrong, youll likely die because the other players move will hit you. The way I use sens is basically 1 out of 10 swings. Thats right.... 1 out of 10. But because I have the reputation of being a sens fighter, Everyone somehow manages to see me constantly using it. You may see me turning around fast to be facing my opponent again but I dont swing while doing so. Ever seen me fight yellow? I dont use sens at all then. Third: About the modded server ken. I would really have thought you would have understood that I was joking. I thought you ment it as a joke so I continued on it. I find it pretty mean that you used that line I said there against me since we are talking about the Movie battles mod which has a completely different saber system and the reason I am a lousy saberist there is because I simple havent had the time to learn it yet. I can surely fight without Sens and I have proved that last night on the JAA battle against TLG where they said they didnt want use of Sens so I kicked my sensitivity back to 3 and made sure I did not use it. To finish my statement let me add this. In the game Jedi-academy there are much more then 1 exploit which I see being used a lot on the servers as well. Now I dont complain about that either, but if you guys feel that sens isnt Honorable and that it is cheap. Then I suggest you start flaming the other exploits as well... Just my 2 cents, If I have offended anyone by saying this, It was defenately not my intention but its just something I had to get off my mind _______________ ~ Honor is a fool's prize. Glory is of no use to the dead ~ This comment was edited by Wolfwood on Apr 26 2004 12:47pm. |
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(Jedi)Obi-JK - Student 
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couldnt you still have your sens set to default but use a track ball, and spin it as fast as you can, maybe multiple times for one move. _______________ Silent Bob (Kevin Smith): You know, there's a million fine looking women in the world, dude. But they don't all bring you lasagna at work. Most of 'em just cheat on you. -Steve (Obi) |
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Mookie - Ex-Student 
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That isn't entirely to the point though. Yeah, it's an eternally raging argument, and like Hardwired says, at the Academy, we can't dictate how people fight. If you don't want to fight people who use it, then don't. The fights are voluntary. However, I also agree with other people on this thread (and I have been known to firmly say this to practicioners of 'sens whores') that the move is an exploit, a way of fighting designers didn't anticipate when creating the game. Red is *meant* to be slow, that's why it is strong. To make it faster by messing with your sensitivity is not honorable. It is not lack of skill: handling a high sensitivity fight isn't easy, as Wolfwood once demonstrated. But that's not the point: regardless of skill it remains an exploit, and a very unfavorable at that. We (people who don't use it) have to deal with it and learn to fight it, but it's still a fluke in the natural evolution of fighting in this game. I don't support it at all, and think of it as a sign of lack of personal strengtht rather than skill. It is one thing to judge and critize those who use it: it is another to tell them to stop. Like I mentioned in the beginning of this post, fighting people with that "style" is voluntary. Like Wolfwood said in a modded server a few days ago where the saber system didn't allow those fast spins: 'I can't play like this, no spins!'... I think that's a very defining statement. Of course, Wolfwood and myself are good friends and we play on a lot of public servers together, but because we are honest with eachother, he knows I don't support his use of sensitivity (regardless if he says he doesn't use high sensitivity, everyone can see that somehow his moves can be way faster than what a normal game allows: might be higher normal Windows sensitivity). ~Ken |
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(Jedi)Obi-JK - Student
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So im on this public clan server ( honestly cant remeber the name ) the whole clan is new to the JK series in general not just JK3, but they have learned a few things. They all seemed to favor the long slow red swings to the right, but didnt quite understand how open they were at the end. So I took it upon myself to just lunge at them at the right moment everytime they did this, note: it was the only thing they ever did. After this one guy/gal lost to me about 5 times in a row, I tried politely to tell him/her that if he used that swing in a less offensive manner it wouldn't be so easy to counter. At this point I quickly realized I had been dueling a man, I was trying to be nice, but it still bruised his ego. I apologized, for upsetting him then he started in on me about how I was lunge "spammer" my reply was simple. "I only lunged at you everytime you did a specific attack." immediate reply from him: "You can spam a normal move, spamming only applies to special moves, like katas, or those lunges you love spamming!" I pause for a moment in utter disbelif.......... Me: "Um you can spam any move, no?" And I was kicked from the server. I would have to say my favorite part of the story is that this is the 1st peron I meet, who seemed to beleive you can only spam "special" moves. Can anyone explain to me where people get these ideas? _______________ Silent Bob (Kevin Smith): You know, there's a million fine looking women in the world, dude. But they don't all bring you lasagna at work. Most of 'em just cheat on you. -Steve (Obi) |
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Silencio - Student 
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*hugs JJ for using the 3 red swings* I love doing that... _______________ Second-in-command of the mighty FiZZsters |
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The eternal debate, heh. If someone spams, COUNTER it. You just plain suck if you can't counter a spammer. It's the harsh reality of it. If someone spams, defend yourself, win, and enjoy the satisfaction of knowing that you beat them, while people here whine about spammers. Hell, i'm a spammer - I use 3 red swings, over and over. Nobody ever complained about THAT. |
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o2b - Student 
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I am gradually increasing my sensitivity cause I've got all of about 3cm either side of my mouse for movement lol I accidentally killed someone I was talking to because my mouse fell off my desk and landed on my attack button lol. I need a bigger desk lol. But I don't have many reliable moves down pat yet, so you'll see me using the same moves over and over...sometimes they hit lol. But 'spamming' moves (I remember a butterfly spam thread ages ago) are defeatable...somehow. It's up to you to either find a way around them, or just don't duel that person. |
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n00b - Student 
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I see the sens is high for some people on publics. Some of those guys do a dual saber scissors swinging back and forth so fast it seems hardly anything can penetrate it. Most of the time one of those guys doing the dual saber scissors spamming kills you in a single pass which is kind of a let down. I'd call it more of an exploit than a complete flaw in the game though. I use a high sens of 100, but not everyone can use that right away. I've been increasing it a little each week so I can get used to higher settings gradually. People like to spam a high sens staff saber scissors as well as duals. Either way its a killer move, people can win with it, so it will continue. I think if I got as good at it as some of those people, I would lose interest in the game. _______________ Gone but hopefully not forgotten... |
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Primax[NL] - Ex-Student ![Primax[NL]](/image_thumbnail.php?f_type=users&f_width=47&f_height=70&f_image=6877.jpg){kind=small}
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all depends on the sens that u use in windows to i think, thats effect the sens u use in the game... _______________ Proud Padawan of Leif Grandson from Aphex Nephew from 3th, Majno and Quiet Guardian |
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Orion - Retired 
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geez, how can you guys play with a high sensitivty, anything over 10 gives me a headache, then again I prolly have the lowest sensitivity in the JA i use 1.0-1.5 _______________ When a Man lies he murder's some part of the world. These are the pale deaths which men misscall there lives. All this I cannot bear to witness any longer. Cannot the kingdom of salvation take me home? -Cliff Burton Owner of Smily's 1900th comment | <Lady_Catherine> i love your sexy white socks! | (Lady_Catherine) i adore u! | (Lady_Catherine) onion (Lady_Catherine) i lub u |
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Fizz of Belouve - Student 
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I agree with Daidalus there. Its not a sign of honor, but then again, I dont think ppl who spam those moves actually care. oh, and noone forces you to duel those players anyway. _______________ One of the Belouve boys, founder of the mighty FiZZsters Midbie council #20 - Fizz - #1933 - Jan '03 - Aug '04 "Renfield, you idiot!" |
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Sauce - =^.^= 
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i have mine at 120 |
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Flash - Student
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WW's sensitivity isn't that high, mine's in the 14's I think, and I know someone who has theirs at about 60, or so he says. |
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Hardwired - Retired 
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In essence. All styles are allowed...Good or bad. We can't start dictating how people should play. Just identify and adapt.... _______________ ::Nothing wrong with a little shooting.....as long as the right people get shot:: |
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SS/ph00d - Student 
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You can do it even though it's annoying and I'll probably blow you up with my 1337 det skills _______________ -ShadowSith: CTF/gunner specialist. |
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Master Lew - Student 
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No one said you have to stand there. Just move out of the way. LOL If it's in the game, use it. Just have fun and don't let it bother you. _______________ Brick Assassin for Hire Here, have a brick!
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Daidalus[JAP] Fisto - Student ![Daidalus[JAP] Fisto](/image_thumbnail.php?f_type=users&f_width=49&f_height=70&f_image=3482.jpg){kind=small}
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i think this move is like groud attacks, or attacks if you loose your saber. it is not forbidden, but you show that you dont like a honorable game. Just get used to it like to the other stuff, but if you want to learn good technic and if you want to have fun in the game, you shoudt use it. it messes up your concentration and interrupts your flowing of the game... i just dont like it greetings, daid _______________ Founder of the Fisto Family -|- Member of the mighty FiZZsters!! -|- Owner of the second Bail prize for "BAIL RULES!!" -|- I'll never forget you Jaina! -|- Owner of the one and only autograph of Smily -|- SMILY RULES -|- Owner of the 1000th Comment of the great Kueller -|- Big brother to NarCosT Fisto, and ShadowFax . -|- Proud Padawan of Kueller -|-Sir Daidalus Fisto. Official Historian of Nippledom and server to Menaxia, Queen of Nippledom Quote: fiZZe: "gdamubububugmgmgububugrrrrrdsa?"
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Sauce - =^.^=
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to be exact, saber spamming is basically repeating a move over and over again. it's not forbidden, but it's a sign of lack of skill in the game and people will get mad when they lose to a move that requires minimun skill. moves are there to be used not abused. moving the mouse to hit your opponent can be spamming if you repeat it over and over again but is generally acceptable when used sparingly. ppl who usually get pwned by the move (me) is probably too close to the opponent, and therefore, gets hit multiple times by the spinning blade and take massive damage.hope this answers ur question |
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Orion - Retired 
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well there is no real way to stop it, it is usually done with a high sensitivty, but our friendly JAK, Obi-Wan, aka Wolfwood, informed me that he uses like a 6.something sensitivty, and moves his mouse 90cm across his desk when he does it. Ive learned to adjust to it, and fight against it. so _______________ When a Man lies he murder's some part of the world. These are the pale deaths which men misscall there lives. All this I cannot bear to witness any longer. Cannot the kingdom of salvation take me home? -Cliff Burton Owner of Smily's 1900th comment | <Lady_Catherine> i love your sexy white socks! | (Lady_Catherine) i adore u! | (Lady_Catherine) onion (Lady_Catherine) i lub u This comment was edited by Orion on Apr 24 2004 11:44pm. |
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