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Jul 13 2004 07:55pm

R2D2
 - Staff
R2D2
I noticed that there are many classes for all 3 types of saber styles. Therefore, I have a dilemma. These two quotes express my predicament.

Quote: "Put all your eggs in one basket and watch it grow!"- Andrew Carnegie

Quote: "Put all your eggs in one basket, AND WATCH THAT BASKET!" - Mark Twain

Two great people, two completely different views.
I would like to know what all of you think.
Is it better to learn all the stances or to purely specialize in one. Of course, you could also learn all 3 and have an emphasis one one.

What do you think is better? :):alliance:
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Poll
Which do you think is better?
If you want to elaborate write a reply =)

vote results
Learn all of them, equal emphasis Learn all of them, equal emphasis [6 votes] [16%]
Specialize in one Specialize in one [5 votes] [13%]
Learn all with an emphasis on one Learn all with an emphasis on one [27 votes] [71%]

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Jul 17 2004 07:46pm

Dino-Wan Kenobi
 - Ex-Student
 Dino-Wan Kenobi

nice thinking


i agree with u about the to great people who have

different point of view for the same thing.:)
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Jul 17 2004 03:06am

SS/ph00d
 - Student
 SS/ph00d

Guns > Sabers
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Jul 17 2004 01:43am

DF_SithMaster44
 - Student
 DF_SithMaster44

Well, that depends on the person. I am trying to master all 3 saber types and 3 saber styles for single saber. My favorite choice is the dual lightsabers. I am not an expert with them, but I do well enough to beat half of the people I duel. I don't do as well with a two-handed lightsaber but at least I don't suck. I am now trying to focus on learning single saber, because I really don't do well with it at all. I've only beaten about 5 persons with the single lightsaber.
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This comment was edited by DF_SithMaster44 on Jul 17 2004 01:46am.

Jul 16 2004 02:56pm

FlamingSaber
 - Student
 FlamingSaber

I like to switch between styles during a fight, since ive noticed if i stick to one style, someone catches onto my moves to easily. But if i switch, i can use little tricks to catch them out and they become cautious, making it easier to trick them ;).

Jul 16 2004 07:36am

Italian Ice
 - Student
 Italian Ice

Ya, im trying to Master in duals as well. (youve got copetition BHG lol)But i have noticed that since I started to fool around with other saber styles, I have been able to better predict what my oppnent is gonna do. and i go to class to just to hear the words "well when fighting a dule user, try to...". Makes me feel like a spy when I listen to that suff :P, Cuz i'll just make shure they dont get teh chance to do what ever there tryin to do.
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Jul 16 2004 06:10am

R2D2
 - Staff
 R2D2

Yea Siduro, thanks :). I've been attending some saber classes such as Virtue's single medium stance and Motrec's duals. I'm pretty much going for mastery, or close to it, of duals (which I heard is hard, but I think it can be done) and getting acquainted with other styles. I don't believe I could fight very well with other styles unless I take time away from duals, but I will concentrate on things taught in class and train accordingly.

I also noticed staff seems just like duals. The lack of defense hurts but there is more offense it seems. With a little more effort in staff, I could actually get decent at it :):alliance:
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This comment was edited by R2D2 on Jul 16 2004 06:10am.

Jul 15 2004 06:58am

Proximo
 - Student
 Proximo

wow, well said Siduro

and I do agree with you that all the stances are very similar, they may look different but the execution for each of them is very similar.

so yeah, id say get to know one of them really well, and learning the others will be alot easier once you have the timing down for your main one
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Jul 14 2004 11:38pm

Casual
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 Casual

Oi, T-Siduro rocks!
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Jul 14 2004 11:37pm

Carve
 - Student
 Carve

The problem with attempting to be a master of all trades is that, inevitably, you are going to suffer in all of them. There's only so far your skill and attention can be spread.

Most likely everyone will disagree with me here, but to be perfectly honest - with the exclusion of special moves - every stance is extremely similar. They all have the same basics swings that can be used in similar situations. The only real differences are the timing, and timing differences aren't ones that require a long time to master - hence the speed with which I learned stances other than single heavy.

Of course, dabbling in other stances is an important part of learning, but to say you will learn another stance to the point where you know everything there is to know about it is bordering on naive. It takes a damn long time to truly master a stance - because mastery is more than just beating others; it's also about adaptation and situational versatility, and those things you can't just conjure up without a lot of experience.

Experience, sadly, is not something that can be taught but rather directed towards. However, I'm digressing.

What I'm getting at here is it's best to focus on one stance, your personal preference, and dabble occasionally in the others just to get a feel for them - just to be competent enough to hold your own. A better (and faster, might I add) way of learning what a stance can do is through careful observation, and that means experience.

Sadly, there is no quick fix to becoming skilled (except perhaps taking a certain someone as a master *winks at ID 11*) - but learning what can be done through observation rather than personal trial yields an extra result: Not only do you learn what can be done, but you also learn how to defend from it simultaneously. If you're having difficulty learning how to defend from it, then you can go to the stance yourself and use your already-acquired competence to replicate that which they were doing to defeat you, thereby gaining further insight and allowing you to formulate an appropriate defense (this is something I do regularly).

Good luck!
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Jul 14 2004 10:40pm

Cuban
 - Student

it'd be better if u learn them all since each saber has it's disadvantages and some have advantages so if you learn them all you know every move they can or cannot do and therefore u have a slight advantage on your side. It depends basically i myself learned single red,med and staff med and i really wanna learn dual but i cant find any1 good enough to teach. It basically depends on what your going to do to learn each one but my suggestion is to learn them all.

Jul 14 2004 10:00pm

..PJ..
 - Student
 ..PJ..

Well, i use medium stance. this however doesnt mean im ANY good with it :) But i suck anyway so :D
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Jul 14 2004 05:55pm

Carve
 - Student
 Carve

It really depends on what your actual goal is. If you want to have fun, just use whatever it is that makes you feel the most comfortable.

In fact, I think the best way to become a skilled duelist is to stick to what you like best, first - learn what you can about it in particular - primarily because you won't have to focus so much on getting used to the style/technique as much as watching your opponent and knowing how people typically react to things which is, dare I say, as important, if not moreso, than the actual manipulation of the saber itself.

Once you've specialized in that particular stance, THEN I would suggest moving onto new ones. You will have skill in using movement and swing combinations as well as anticipatory cognition, which will facilitate growth of skill in whatever else you choose to learn.

I was a red-stancer since the very beginnings of Jedi Outcast and stayed as such for a loooong time... and when I finally decided to branch out to other stances, it took days rather than months to bring myself up to par with them.

So that's just my take on it.
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Jul 14 2004 10:16am

Antares
 - Student
 Antares

Well, when I just came here, I was an all-out staff player, and I got litteraly obliterated by every single single stance user I met.
So I decided to learn some single.
Not only did I found a cool new stance to use, meaning double the fun (even more if you count in the fact you can constantly switch between them, that's extremely refreshing, AND keeps your opponent figuring on your next strategy), I also got to know my enemy.
As a result, I don't get obliterated anymore, just pwned :P. It feels great :D
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Jul 14 2004 09:56am

Jake Kainite
 - Student
 Jake Kainite

It helps to learn all the stances , then when you do decide to stick to one (and you WILL!) you'll know all the weaknesses of the other stances which you're fighting against and how best to exploit them to your advantage :D
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Jul 14 2004 05:03am

 
 - Student

Well, anyone that has dueled me knows how I duel. I am strictly red stance. In fact, i'm strictly right-swings in red stance. I DO know Yellow stance, n' some Red stuff that I don't use, but I purely stick to what i'm comfortable with. I don't care if I win or lose when I duel, I just duel to have fun, y'know? So I take the simple approach, so I don't have to put in tons of effort, which ruins it for a lazy guy like me. :P

Jul 14 2004 04:33am

3th
 - Retired
 3th

i'm repeating a bit of what's already been said. but i say learn one first and learn it well. a lot of the same principles and tactics apply no matter what the stance or style. then branch out from that strong foundation :) but in all you have to do what makes you happy and keeps the game fun for you.
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Jul 14 2004 03:17am

Jade
 - Student
 Jade

I only know one thing. I use all 3 saber styles and I get pwnd in all 3.....:D

Seriously though, I am a padwan of all and master of none. However, I have found that I can beat some people with Single Red that I cant with duals or Staff and beat people with Duals that I cant with single and staff...etc..you get my point.

I think a different saber style helps me a bit for different schenarios, but in the end I always get pwnd....all in the name of FUN!!!!:D

:P:D:P
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Jul 14 2004 12:50am

Sauce
 - =^.^=
 Sauce

well it all depends on what u want...
some ppl just don't like using other weapons and therefore just stick to one saber type. It's all good if they want that.
however to be a better player u'll have to learn the other saber types and understand them. to do so implies that u'll have to use the other saber types as well as see them in action. in the end, however, i think specializing in one weapon is the wisest choice, as the time spent on other sabers will take away from time spent on the your preferred saber type. but then again, some ppl do not have a preference.

Jul 13 2004 10:42pm

DJ Sith
 - Jedi Council
 DJ Sith

The good players know how to handle themselves in all styles of play. You'll need to know all styles so you can face a wider variety of opponents. After that it helps to know one stance really well to plain beat the tar out of your opponent.
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Jul 13 2004 10:30pm

Luke Skywalker
 - Student
 Luke Skywalker

It all depends on your style and the style of lightsaber you are using...

If you use a standard lightsaber, it sure helps to know all three of its styles. Although, for those of you who pay attention, medium style happens to be my style of choice for almost all cases.

If you want to use any style, whether it's standard, twin, or double-bladed, the best thing to do is learn all aspects of it and know how to use those aspects well. When that's done, you're free to use whatever as you please... so long as it works. ;)
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Jul 13 2004 10:15pm

R2D2
 - Staff
 R2D2

All right, figured that would be the logical choice heh :D. I looked like an idiot getting blown up in Virtue's (single, medium stance) last test with the mines lol, but I'm learning. Looks like Duals are my forte.
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This comment was edited by R2D2 on Jul 14 2004 08:18pm.

Jul 13 2004 09:04pm

Tido
 - Student
 Tido

My emphasis is in single. But I'm learning staff and duals. More in favor of the staff out of those 2 though. But single is my favorite: it has the widest spectrum of moves and styles, and skills you learn in single are very adaptable for the other saber types.

Jul 13 2004 08:48pm

Bail Hope of Belouve
 - Student
 Bail Hope of Belouve

Flash:

If you put all of your eggs in one basket, and your basket is stolen, you've just lost all your eggs
-> Second quote

First I can't explain either :D
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Jul 13 2004 08:44pm

Flash
 - Student
 Flash

Those quotes make no sense to me...

Jul 13 2004 08:38pm

Bail Hope of Belouve
 - Student
 Bail Hope of Belouve

yes, you should have a basic knowledge of all three saber types

But you can emphasize others too:)

Myself: Staff and Single
I hate Duals... but still, I'm trying to get the hang of them a bit
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