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Rahn del Sol - Student  |
I had the good fortune to join the [ks] Academy server tonight while it was running CTF-Bespin Airshafts.
I'm a die-hard CTF fanatic. I got my first taste of it in Quake (the first and the best Quake there is, IMO), and I've been hooked ever since. I'm a defender by nature. I guess the main reason is because no one else wants to. I've found that the majority of the players want the glory of capturing a flag, and sitting in a base just waiting for people to come by gets kind of boring. But, from Quake to Unreal Tournament to Team Fortress...and then even to Jedi Knight II...I've been a dedicated CTF Defender. What I saw tonight was a blend of tragedy and triumph, and it was entertaining. When I joined the server, the Red team was up by a score of 12 to 4. Blue was getting trounced in a bad way. The auto-join put me on blue. Fine with me, I do love a challenge. I tossed on my ctf force setup, loaded up my repeater, and anchored myself solidly in the base. I had a pretty good run on defense. I worked hard to try and organize people, not sure how many listened. Nightcrawler and La Magra were two that helped me out a bit, kudos to you guys for being true team players. Anyway, one would-be flag thief after another entered my base, and while I'm not perfect...on occasion they did escape with it...many of them found themselves on the wrong end of a repeater grenade, or sailing down into the abyss underneath the flag. I run a very tight defense, and I get fired up about it. Anytime you get near my flag, you're in my house, and I'm going to make you regret it 
Anyway, thanks to a total team effort, the final score of this absolutely grueling match was 20 to 13, with Blue coming from way behind to claim victory. Between myself and Nightcrawler anchoring the defense most of the match, and Chainer capping flag after flag, we pulled out a very fulfilling victory. However, it wasn't all fun and games. One member joined up and was put on...or knowingly joined...the Red team. He found his way into my base many times, and got his hands on the flag more than anyone else on his team in the latter half of the game. He was a very skilled runner, and if he works on his offensive abilities a bit more, he'll be one heck of a capper. Apparently though, he didn't like the fact that I was using a gun to take him out. He didn't like that ANYONE was using guns. All of a sudden, I and others are labelled as "noobs" by this fellow student because we are using guns to defend our base. For me, that just meant the bullseye on his chest grew even bigger. But I did want to address that point...when you join a full-force-guns-CTF game, expect to get shot at. If you get shot at, don't whine about it. Shoot back. Actually stopping to call fellow students "noobs" when they are using a legal offensive/defensive tactic is just flat-out rude, and not what this place is about. CTF in and of itself is a very demanding game, the intensity level is far and above anything you'll find in an FFA environment. When played in a sloppy fashion, it'll be the most random thing you've ever seen. But let one side get organized and in sync with each other, and they will start to dominate. Get two well-organized teams, and you'll have one of the most rewarding game experiences you've ever had, win or lose. When you go in for CTF, don't go in expecting honor, one-on-one dueling, and kindness. Expect an intense, gritty fight that you can get pumped up about, and then laugh about when it's all over. But those are just my thoughts. I'd love to hear what the JAT's and others have to say about it
I know it's rare that we ever play CTF here, but I'd like to get some feedback from people on this matter. _______________ http://steamcommunity.com/id/citizen059 |
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Lord Exar Kun - Student 
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I also played in this match. Wasnt the 1st time that it happened in JA. We decided to do this somtimes, just to do something different. I was in the 1st fase of this match (yes, the fase when blue got their buts kicked, I was in blue) and I also tried to stear my team. It was nice, and I definetly think it should be played with weapons. We should do this more often. I just don't know if the JATs and JACs think its ok....
PS I also am more of a defense freak, especially in warring factions with a sniper and mind trick above the fla  _______________ -Retired april the 19th 2004 This comment was edited by Lord Exar Kun on Jan 04 2003 05:05am. |
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Bubu - Hubbub 
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last night's (it was night for me!) ctf match was my first with jk2 (i know i know keep your comments to yourselves). and somehow i came out on top of my team. i don't mean to brag. just give some pointers. some people take ctf matches as ffas. that's wrong. you shouldn't concentrate on killing others but rather on the flags, both your flag and your opponent's. and it doesn't matter how you do it. as long as the game allows it, it's acceptable. if you don't like it, don't play ctf. if you play it properly and forget about honor and stuff for a second (after all you are sitting in front of a screen watching animated characters with glowing sticks running around, where's the honor??) then you will like ctf. i totally agree with rahn on this. anyway, enough said, i'm off now. peace _______________ make install -not war |
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Rahn del Sol - Student 
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Regarding Push and Pull...
In a recent CTF battle, one of my teammates complained about getting tossed into a pit. "Yeah, pull, that's really showing skill!" See...here's the thing. CTF isn't about individual skill, or honor, or anything else you normally associate with Jedi, Star Wars, and the Academy. CTF is a beast all its own. There are only two goals. Capture the enemy flag. Defend your flag. You must remain focused on these goals. Every single action you take in a CTF match must be geared toward one goal or the other. If you spend time fighting one guy over and over somewhere in the middle of the map, neither of you are really contributing to your team. CTF is a team game, and your mates are depending on you to carry your weight, no matter what you decide to do. Pick a side, either offense or defense, and stick to it until conditions arise that require you to change. Above all, keep the two main goals in mind. In order to accomplish these goals, you have to use every single tool at your disposal. To limit yourself by refusing to use one thing or another because you think it's "cheap", "lame", or something else...well, that just impairs your ability to win. Expect to get shot at, expect to get sabered. Expect someone to push, pull, or grip you into a pit. Expect to get ganged by 5 enemy defenders if you enter a base alone. Expect the worst, and hope for the best...and it'll all come out fine in the end. CTF is only as fun as you let it be _______________ http://steamcommunity.com/id/citizen059 |
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Sared - Retired 
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MORE CTF!!! I have seen this as well on almost every CTF server I have seen. It's usaully some poor guy who has masterd the saber aspect of the game but wouldn't touch anything with a trigger with a ten-foot pole. This is s simple lack of training that can be fixed easily at the Academy if you really want to get better in that area.
I wasn't at this game (I regret that) but I would recommend that the individual mentioned get toghether with other students and hone thier skills. The staff and JATs here can be more than accomadating and will gladly help you out with those mad gunz skills you want. Oh, and before I forget, MORE CTF!  _______________ I'm crazy, not stupid. |
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Rob_Keller - Ex-Student |
I'll take your advice Jace...thanks... _______________ My ally is the Dark Side. And an extremely powerful ally it is. |
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JAcen LW Solo - Retired 
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Rob, the abuse of Push/Pull on the pit is mostly done by ppl that use mainlly force and saber to fight. If you take that those ppl will only have saber to defend themselfs.
And what is JK2 with no force and only guns ??? Its QUAKE and we dont love this game because it looks like QUAKE but because of the force, saber and SW ambient. Saber only against guns is just not too fair right ? You will find out that not getting pushed/pulled/kicked into the pit is very very easy. 1st - Use absorv 2nd - Dont jump or absorv wont be efective 3rd - Dont walk on the edges 4rth - Watch both sides before crossing any bridge 5th - Dont take the usuall shrtcuts that let you exposed in mid air over the pit. Make a couple of games using those force powers, you will find out the best spots and timing to use them, then when you get back to your usual gaming style you will know the places to avaoid and how to escape them. - Jace _______________ "Though I walk through the shadow of the valley of death, I shall fear no evil .For I am the baddest mofo in the valley" |
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Rob_Keller - Ex-Student |
CTF...love it, live it, hell...I even play it paintball style at my local PB arena...just one thing I don't like and do not get me wrong people...it's not just you guys...it's the general populus of JK2 that does this and is just one of my pet peeves...
The abuse of pull/push in the pit...I know it's the easyest way of getting rid of the flag carrier and hell...I've done it a few times already...but it is very very annoying when you have the flag and cannot move because the entire blue team is on your ass and pulling you back to square 1. I would understand this with sabers only but with guns on...you can not dodge people who fire. I just find it somewhat annoying and cheap. suggestion: If we play with guns on...maybe have force off or something...it would make it funner and more competitive... (but this is just me...so guys don't get offended...please...you guys are the best and I'd be hard pressed to find a better gang of JK2 players anywhere) I just wanted to voice out my thoughts....but anyways...ROCK ON...let's leep playing hard...and one of these days...maybe a gang of us could team up and take a CTF tourney or fight in a ladder... _______________ My ally is the Dark Side. And an extremely powerful ally it is. This comment was edited by Rob_Keller on Jan 02 2003 03:01pm. |
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Jello` - Student 
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heh @ jedi wing _______________ Brady Brothers: Orion-Greg, Furi0us-Peter, Me-Bobby. Long lost cousin to Flash. Midbie Council #007. Ex-JAK. |
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Rampage - Student 
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CTF is just
2 bad I was not at ks at that time :| I played CTF on the same server for a long time, a NL server, with saber only and Jedi Knight force, and i must agree; it's very hard to be defence.
WEEEE!
Jedi_Wing: Read the comments This comment was edited by Rampage on Jan 01 2003 01:21pm. |
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Jedi_Wing - Ex-Student 
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What kind of fool calls people noobs for
shooting at him.To me hes either a noob or a real idiot.Give me his name so i can slap him now.:beer: _______________ http://www.thejediacademy.net/forums_detail_page.php?f_id=159 http://www.thejediacademy.net/show_profile.php?f_id=1386 This comment was edited by Jedi_Wing on Dec 31 2002 02:31pm. |
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Undead - Ex-Student 
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I've been playing CTF in the Stronger than All and Online Gaming League for along time... _______________ RIP Vlad |
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Jello` - Student
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i dont find that offencive lol, i dont know who would, well if that offends you, how about "All your base are belong to us"?
hehe A JJ smiley _______________ Brady Brothers: Orion-Greg, Furi0us-Peter, Me-Bobby. Long lost cousin to Flash. Midbie Council #007. Ex-JAK. This comment was edited by Jello` on Dec 31 2002 01:46pm. |
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(SKX) Dark Blade - Student 
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Well since we are talking about being nice. I want to get a poll on if you think this phrase is offensive: "We have captured all of your one flags!!!! MUAHH!!! (although it is theoretical). _______________ What is the difference between love and Herpes? Herpes lasts forever. (CDC joke) Padawans: Trad Redav, Darth Jello, Tallepyon, Shang Chi, Dopp, Karlin Duke, AuroN, Koushka, Damon, and Katan Brother to Xanatos |
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ioshee - Student 
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About Jedi and guns: None of the old-school Jedi used guns but I think it is so cool that Luke used a gun and a saber in Episode V. I guess you could say it showed a slight lack of faith in the force but you just can't beat the cool factor of fighting with a light saber while you have a blaster in your holster.
About the CTF classes: I would just suggest that if it is saber only that you make it a CTY instead of CTF because the Yalismari limits the carriers abilities to some degree. _______________ One of the Belouve boys |
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Jello` - Student 
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hehe yeah it was fun, and i was the runner guy who kept getting in and with a little more practice id be a great runner  hehe sorry about calling you noob there, i get a little aggrivated when someone stops me on my hot streak hehe GG tho rahn, your great on D _______________ Brady Brothers: Orion-Greg, Furi0us-Peter, Me-Bobby. Long lost cousin to Flash. Midbie Council #007. Ex-JAK. |
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Darth Revan - Ex-Student 
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I love capture the flag games. If you ever took to x-boxes and got 8 people to play Halo you know what I mean. Guns need to be apart of the game. I personally don't like to use guns but the game would be boring without them and besides what would be the point of being able to deflect or push the shots back at the shooter if no one has a gun.
PS:Jace's idea is very good. _______________ formally known as jedi master, vanished and returned as the new sith lord |
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Blade_Knight - Student 
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Unfortunately I wasn't at the CTF match, kinda bummed about that . CTF was always my favorite game type. The good ol' days of Unreal Tournament. My skill was more in defender than flag carrier as well (used to be a really good sniper, still kinda am, just not in JKii ^.^. Oh and Jace, a CTF class would be a great idea, but I'd think it be better if you kept the guns (don't know why, guess i'm use to it that way =/). _______________ -=Brother to Nightcrawler and JediKnight13=- "I've been told my style is crasy and visually confusing."~Mikel Rider |
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Rahn del Sol - Student 
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Sorry Salty, I just mentioned the guys that I'd spoken to in the game who responded to me What was your name in the game?
Jacen, about the only thing there I disagree with is the no guns deal. I think CTF is something that pretty much requires guns. I've played a lot of saber-only CTF servers, and it's almost always unbalanced towards the offense. A flag runner doesn't have to kill anyone, he just has to get the flag and get out. The defenders, however, have to kill the flag runners, and unless you can score a DFA, it's tough. Defense is nearly impossible with saber-only, if not for force powers it'd be a joke. At least with some of the force abilities it can give you a chance. However, seeing as how it's a class, it'd probably be okay to have some saber only games, just so people can see how it plays. I honestly think you need to have guns around for the best possible game though. _______________ http://steamcommunity.com/id/citizen059 |
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Chainer - Ex-Student 
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that could be cool Jace |
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JAcen LW Solo - Retired
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<Also off topic>
Humm, I see that you guys are in to CTF. Would you like if I changed one of my classes to CTF practice ? Here are my terms: 1 - No pre arranged teams 2 - No team scripts 3 - No cursing or insulting (I wont give warnings, if you curse or insult anyone consider yourself kicked out of the server) 4 - No offending binds 5 - If I catch anyone using scripted moves he's out of the server 6 - Im pondering the use of weapons. But I think the fair thing to do is to alternate the use of them bettween classes. So everyone will be happy. 7 - <EDIT> No typing /kill after being pushed or pulled to a pit so that your opponent wont score with your death. Thats another reason for being kicked out of the server. So what do you think ? I'm sorry to be so strict with the rules but these cover allmost every thing that anoys me on public server. - Jace _______________ "Though I walk through the shadow of the valley of death, I shall fear no evil .For I am the baddest mofo in the valley" This comment was edited by JAcen LW Solo on Dec 27 2002 10:57am. |
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SaltyDJ - Ex-Student 
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I've gotta say Rahn, I'm hurt, I never left our base and before you joined i was getting all our defense organised aswell, and no mention of me :'( *Waaaah* Anyway, it was a hell of alot of fun.
Cya on the servers. |
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Ecomancer - Ex-Student 
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<offtopic>
I like to play CTF on public severs - not too many CTY servers out there so can't say much about that, but IMHO sounds interesting. I've noticed that if guns aren't allowed the game is probably a bit unballanced against the defenders. At least if there's a very capable runner on the ooposing team or maybe I'm just a sh***y defender. If guns aren't allowed you need more guys defending you're flag. What do you think? |
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Chainer - Ex-Student
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lol i got the flag 11 times in a row but it was lots of fun idk but the hole n00b thing wasn't very like the academy and if u cant beat em use em ( guns that is) so good game all |
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Kalheka - Student 
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I used to be a big ctf fan, Team Fortress was the game I loved.
However, Team Fortress got old quick because of whining, especially guys that didn't like facing defenders. I used to defend the flag because many people didn't, and got called camper and all kinds of other names because I knew about strategy. Now I don't play ctf anymore. _______________ Death is only the beginning. |
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Trad Redav - Student 
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yeah, i was red, and the most i did as orginization was to go and try to back 'im up when i heard "the red team has stolen the flag"
I also think that capture the- ,more than team ffa, strenghthens teamwork. for team ffa, just cut, and hope that an enemy will get hurt. if not, then you can't hurt your own team anyway. ctf/y DOES need teamwork, and it improves (or disproves) relationships, inter-team and intra-team why do i start writing essays about jkii, but i can't be made to write one for school?? _______________ Well then. Just so you know, just because I don't post often doesn't mean I don't lurk this place multiple times every day... |
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