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Dash Starlight - Jedi Instructor  |
Since I cant play for a while I have lotsa time to think  and I asked myself the following question:Can a redstancer close his gaps completely? if u ask me, I have the impression he cannot... Let's imagine that's true, wouldnt it be wiser to use yellow vs a staff and/or duals instead of Red? Because if you cannot close ur gaps for a full 100 per cent, in theory, a redstancer will always loose... i think  So, what do you guys think?  _______________ The name is Bond. James Bond. This post was edited by Orion on Dec 31 2004 09:35pm. |
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In theory, which single-saber stance would be the best against s staff or duals? Red... or yellow?
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Dash Starlight - Jedi Instructor 
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All good stuff, guys! Im really learning a lot here! And ty, Kha, for the warning: ill certainly look into it and see what I think of it as honorable/less than honorable and make my mind up on using it or not  Thx! _______________ The name is Bond. James Bond. |
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Khâ D'Kana - Student 
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I'm sure both stance can be used efficiently vs Staff/Duals. It's just a matter of how good you're mastering your stance control AND tactics. Anyway when you play a really skilled staffer he will be really good at countering your red. So if your red is counterable by yellow users. Forgive to use it vs a really skilled staffer/duals user. And for the way to closing red gaps. Don't forget swaying, poking and spinning are seen by many players as exploiting. It's a long debate. I'm not going to reopen it here for the 1000th time. But be carefull about the fact that some aren't perceiving it as an honourable way of fighting. my 2 cents, -Khâ D'Kana _______________ In light of day, nor dark of night, no evil shall escape our sight. Proud member of the D'Kana family This comment was edited by Khâ D'Kana on Jan 06 2005 11:03am. |
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Ùñçlé - Student 
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red is slow yes, but you can make it almost impossible to hit with if u use it right. Yellow has its stength and weaknesses just as red does, the best way to go is use a combination of both not just one against the other. _______________ If you look in the least likely places, you'll discover new possibilities. |
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Lirael - Jedi Council 
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yellow yellow yellow yellow yellow yellow yellow yellow yellow yellow yellow yellow yellow yellow everytime. yellow. red is predictable and slooooooow _______________ I can write my name with my sparkler. My sparkler > your lightsabre |
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solitude - Jedi Council 
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if u do sway, a staffer has BIG problems. if anothoner know a good way of countering the swaying tell me please _______________ Joined 16 October 2004 | Retired 10 April 2005 | Returned 05 June 2008 | Made Staff 27 June 2008 | Made Council 18 January 2009 Padawan To Odan-Wei Belouve | Adopted into the Belouve family | Twin to xAnAtOs | Owner of the 4th Quesi sexy badge Brother To Roan Belouve, Nomad, Majno, Silkmonkey, Kensei and Jarhok Belouve
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Masta - Jedi Council 
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2 ways 1: Also called "the red sway" is more frowned upon but works better then 2 imo... You start your swing and turn your mouse when your swing reaches the middle...to the direction of where the swing is leading (mostly right).Dont overturn it tho...unless you dont wanna end up doing 180° swings...which are even more frowned upon. So when you turn right when you swing...youll get 2 things when done correctly.You wont get hit because you are going to be out of range (the right turn will lead you to the right which means you will actually go a bit to the right...its enough to avoid getting hit) and you will have closed your gap and can chain another right swing with the same method. 2: This tactic is the "skilled" version of poking.Also called "aiming"... You try to keep the saber (while swinging) in your opponent which requires lot of training and a good ping...ive never seen someone using it really good (no i dont know l-rod...) but im sure it can be done. You move your mouse in the opposite direction of your swing while trying to keep the saber pointed at your opponent...so when he runs in for some attacks, he will most likely be hit (like running into a knife). Takes lot of practice though... _______________ Find out more about the Jedi Academy Aurochs here and more about Masta here! Married to Kain. |
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Dash Starlight - Jedi Instructor
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Quote: using the mouse turn tactic to close your gaps w00t! a new tactic I havent heard of yet, which I just have to learn as soon as I get back! How does it work? Do you follow your opponent by turning your mouse?  _______________ The name is Bond. James Bond. |
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Yeah it just depends on if you can get a good swing off in red stance. Best thing is if someone does the sabernado (as i call it) you can just jump and give them the one hit overhead kill. But I wouldnt want to take on a fast staffer with red stance unless you know you can hit them and run alot. Yellow is balanced well enough to get decent dmg and speed and defence. It all just depends on your skill and the skill of the attacker. _______________ 4/20/2005----Left the academy because I did'nt feel welcomed. |
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n00b - Student 
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It all depends on who you are fighting. Some people defend against red really well with duals or staff. Some against yellow. It all depends. Find people who are good at one or another and duel them for a couple of hours. You will see your own weaknesses and will begin to correct them. A duel is all a matter of trial and error. If you try something and it doesn't work on one person, it may on another. Use your imagination and come up with your own techniques for your chosen style. This game in no way has come to a definitive end for inventiveness in any of the saber styles. The true masters of the game will always shock you when they put an end to the duel in a way you have never seen before. Find these people and practice what they do and try to find ways of doing things they haven't thought of. Add to the knowledge of the game and become a master yourself. No saber style or choice has a corner on the market when it comes to winning. Only creative people who aren't afraid to take risks stand above the crowd. _______________ Gone but hopefully not forgotten... This comment was edited by n00b on Jan 03 2005 06:09am. |
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JK13 /// jaws. - Student 
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My adivce? Use red but only after you have talked to Jedi_Prodigy or Hardwired Or paddeh sauce (superdupergummehbear) becuase thye are the masters of using the mouse turn tactic to close your gaps, which in my expierience really can piss of a staffer or dual user. _______________ It's a false hologram, it IS artificial... |
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Flash - Student 
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But correct! |
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Luke Skywalker - Student 
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Quote: It all depends on your style. Damn, that was vague. _______________  Luke Skywalker
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Fire - Student 
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It all depends on your style. |
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Rinzler - Student 
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staff and especially dual sabers have good defense, it can be very hard to get through with yellow. Personally i'd use red for the most part though it is of course upto the person, everyone has their own style and likes to handle things differently. _______________ I fite for teh usars!1 |
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Dash Starlight - Jedi Instructor
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Aaaah! So duelling is mostly about outsmarting yout opponent rather than 'outgunning.' Not the weapon is important, but the man? Outsmarting... I'd better look for another game then! _______________ The name is Bond. James Bond. |
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Masta - Jedi Council
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Sure...but dont forget that you maybe WANT to let the other guy come and try to "counter" you with red stance. The keyword here is: Fakeswings. These are pretty much known from yellow stance but they apply to red stance too.Im using them all the time =) Its all about manipulation, adaption and timing...if you ask me. Oh and btw...its very possible to get staffers/dualies with single yellow.Just ask Virtue =P The only disadvantage you have with single yellow is...well...your defense is pretty low and the chance that your swings will be deflected/countered is pretty high because the opponents defense is seriously high... _______________ Find out more about the Jedi Academy Aurochs here and more about Masta here! Married to Kain. |
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Dash Starlight - Jedi Instructor
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All interesting stuff guys! w00t! And thx 4 the offer Moridin, as soon as our PC works again I'd love to learn from you m8! Btw, another question popz up in my mind now; since a redstancer cannot completely close his gaps, wouldnt it be better never to attack with red, only counter, as in yellowstance tactics? Because in theory, a redstancer may find himself countered whenever he starts to swing!  _______________ The name is Bond. James Bond. This comment was edited by Dash Starlight on Dec 31 2004 09:50pm. |
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Sauce - =^.^= 
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yeah, u can't close the gaps between ur red swings completely--even trying to minimize the gaps takes away from ur attacking power... i'd hate to duel myself using duals or staff with the single lol. imo, using yellow vs staff in trading hits is pretty suicidal since the multibladed weapons have an ulimited chain limit but sneaking in hits between the swings is possible, provided they don't move much. |
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JK13 /// jaws. - Student 
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In my opinion, suals and staff are both kind of like yellow on steroids, with reguards to speed, power and saber collisions. So, a yellow stancer seemingly is at a slight disadvantage to the staffer or the dualist. Now, that dosnt mean that yellow cannot beat staff or duals, just that i think it might be tougher. if you have skill with red, i say use red becuase you have significant advantages in range and slight advantages in power. _______________ It's a false hologram, it IS artificial... |
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solitude - Jedi Council 
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yes. a good yellow stancer can make it work (look at jaiko ) a red stance user, no makker how good will ALWAYS leave gaps, with a yellow stance the gaps are much smaller. that said, a great red stance can close the gaps to almost nothing, and relly punish you when u screw up. *mutter jaina mutter* _______________ Joined 16 October 2004 | Retired 10 April 2005 | Returned 05 June 2008 | Made Staff 27 June 2008 | Made Council 18 January 2009 Padawan To Odan-Wei Belouve | Adopted into the Belouve family | Twin to xAnAtOs | Owner of the 4th Quesi sexy badge Brother To Roan Belouve, Nomad, Majno, Silkmonkey, Kensei and Jarhok Belouve
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Moridin - Student 
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Well, Hardwired is my master, and he only teaches Red. I use a yellow/red mix when I actually duel, but in class I hone red style. I can safely say that red is my go to stance against staffers. If you want me to show you how to get over their range, just let me know. Red is all about being faster than the other guy thinks you are, you have to be tricky. _______________ Bros. with Janus, Leif, Motrec, Aiden, 3th, Zertz, Kenyon, and Vladarion. b00m! Banana Brother to Garos |
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Bail Hope of Belouve - Student 
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Quote: On the other hand, Red stance is pretty slow, can you actually counter (in time) a staff or duals attack? sure you just jump in exactly when the move is over, you swing, you backflip you're out with minimal damage while doing pretty much damage, if succesful it does take practice though ... _______________ Visit the Belouve Family Website! Quote: I try to have fun with my friends and try to make a difference as best I can. What does making a difference mean? Well, it can be as simple as saying hello, answering a question that seems obvious or heck, just talking. -- Vladarion
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Dash Starlight - Jedi Instructor
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Interesting point, Bail! Heh, maybe fighting a staff or duals with a single should be done with counters only, both with red AND yellow stance. And since red does more damage, it may indeed be the best solution against a staff or duals. On the other hand, Red stance is pretty slow, can you actually counter (in time) a staff or duals attack? _______________ The name is Bond. James Bond. |
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Dash Starlight - Jedi Instructor 
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Heh, this is sheer theory btw guys, in a real duel Red seems more usefull to me, because yellowstance vs a staff and/or duals is extremely hard. And Im not even sure wether this theory is right or not! But it makes a nice thread, doesnt it? _______________ The name is Bond. James Bond. This comment was edited by Dash Starlight on Dec 31 2004 05:07pm. |
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Bail Hope of Belouve - Student 
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no, absolutely not in my opinion it's all about timing getting in, doing your damage (and making sure your damage is less) It's off course no good if you go in, do 30 points damage, and receive 50 points. it's all about timing If you time red correctly against duels and staff, you have a good chance of winning _______________ Visit the Belouve Family Website! Quote: I try to have fun with my friends and try to make a difference as best I can. What does making a difference mean? Well, it can be as simple as saying hello, answering a question that seems obvious or heck, just talking. -- Vladarion
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