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Cuthalion - Padawan  |
Hi Guys, I’ve been thinking about this for a while now and would like some feedback to see what you think. With the TIT and the activity it has received, I saw people using all stances, (Thanks Laz, beating me *sob sob sob*). Anyway would you guys feel about a Tournament using just one Stance, i.e. Yellow. Obviously there would have to be a Red Stance event, and dare I say it Blue… Oh and not to leave them out Staff and Duals. So basically if I nag some of the JATs and get them to sort out a tournament for Strictly Red or Strictly Yellow etc, would you take part? Yes / No.
Answers on a postcard please 
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Cuthalion - Padawan 
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Quote: How about a reverse tourny! Losers advance and winners don't!
Hahaha, the first to die wins! Genious! Melee Tourn would also be Hilarious. _______________ <MaherSenatu> guh... you are just... I'll keep sure that your kind of people will never be knights... <MaherSenatu> That's my mission... Master to Kain Sol This comment was edited by Cuthalion on Dec 24 2008 12:42am. |
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SaZ - Student 
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Quote: How about a reverse tourny! Losers advance and winners don't!
roflmao _______________ playing jk3 since 30th of january (2005), member since 1st of february. [Unofficial Master to Vision and Z�diac ] If you can make a fool of yourself infront of 300 people you can do anything - Jaiko D'kana |
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Cuthalion - Padawan
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It would be interesting to see a single stance tournament take place regardless of how silly it may be. I myself I slowly starting to learn Red, and would eventually like to be a Hybrid user, capable of entering both Yellow only and Red only Tournaments. I'll sort something out and Post it up by the end of this week  _______________ <MaherSenatu> guh... you are just... I'll keep sure that your kind of people will never be knights... <MaherSenatu> That's my mission... Master to Kain Sol |
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Piccolo - Student 
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Quote: we can have a red tourney if at the end top3 players will teach those who lost
that would be both a prize and a curse. fair enough! |
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Augusta_Mintaka - Student 
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How about a reverse tourny! Losers advance and winners don't! _______________ "Deos fortioribus adesse." |
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SaZ - Student
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we can have a red tourney if at the end top3 players will teach those who lost
that would be both a prize and a curse. _______________ playing jk3 since 30th of january (2005), member since 1st of february. [Unofficial Master to Vision and Z�diac ] If you can make a fool of yourself infront of 300 people you can do anything - Jaiko D'kana |
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Masta - Jedi Council 
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Yeah, that's what Qin-Tay meant by 'it caused tournaments to degrade in the past'. It's mostly fine though, as long as neither side (the red stancer and the complainer) overdo it, which they unfortunately sometimes (used to) do, with unfortunate consequences for the tournament in question. See the TIT'05 for a reference. _______________ Find out more about the Jedi Academy Aurochs here and more about Masta here! Married to Kain. |
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Augusta_Mintaka - Student 
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I didn't consider there would actually be rules against it. It's fairly easy to accidentally exploit and it might overly complicate things. _______________ "Deos fortioribus adesse." |
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Masta - Jedi Council
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Quote: So we might see people utilizing some exploits, but nothing stops those people from doing it in a regular competition. Except the rules, you mean. I've already posted suggestions concerning the rules for a red-only tournament, and personally, i'm all for giving the player a choice. After all, what's the value of choosing not to use exploits if you're not allowed to do it anyway. _______________ Find out more about the Jedi Academy Aurochs here and more about Masta here! Married to Kain. |
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Augusta_Mintaka - Student
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Nobody is forcing anybody to join a little competition. If people view it as unfair then they simply will not join. Specializing with red will attract different players and mix the rosters up more than usual. So we might see people utilizing some exploits, but nothing stops those people from doing it in a regular competition.
If fun was switching stances then many of us must be miserable! Even hybrid fighters heavily lean on a single stance. Limiting somebody to a single stance means they have to focus on other significant aspects of dueling like footwork and randomizing attack patterns if they want to win a match. _______________ "Deos fortioribus adesse." This comment was edited by Augusta_Mintaka on Dec 23 2008 01:15am. |
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NotSoLittleCaesar - Student 
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Sorry. single stance torunaments are silly.
For a number of reasons, 90% of the JA are yellow orientated hybrids, hence one way or another you're forcing out a rather large number of players who can't compete in a pure stance duel. (Putting me up against say, dash with yellow only isn't even worth playing.) Same with the red of-course. And while i hate to bring it up, if you have a pure red tournament (Which will bring in some more competative people that lurk the JA, Like Dark.) You'll be using extensions, and so on. Which have caused tournaments to degrade in the past.. Like someone said previously, the whole fun of JKA (And the JA) is mixing up stances. finding new strategies to beat old ones, and in all honesty IMO, if you have an all yellow tournament, you'll just have people dancing every match. And i'm sure people would find equally annoying/repetative moves for every stance that will be used more so than others. Thought about a gun tournament? blaster only? Mellee? 2v2 force only in the pit? The JA's academy map has more than just a few dueling rooms, and while i'd get rather bitch slapped in a 2v2 force match it'd be a hell of a laugh. _______________ Quote: I mostly agree oh Lord of the squeezy mop
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†Johauna Darkrider†- Student 
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lmao, 2on2 meelee... that'd be...
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SaZ - Student 
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melee damnit! _______________ playing jk3 since 30th of january (2005), member since 1st of february. [Unofficial Master to Vision and Z�diac ] If you can make a fool of yourself infront of 300 people you can do anything - Jaiko D'kana |
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ZantuS - Student 
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Yar! I say 2on2 with blue stance only! Oh the thrill! _______________ Happiness is the ability to say "So what?" |
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†Johauna Darkrider†- Student 
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Hmmm...2on2 tournament could be interesting
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SaZ - Student
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one day tourney? _______________ playing jk3 since 30th of january (2005), member since 1st of february. [Unofficial Master to Vision and Z�diac ] If you can make a fool of yourself infront of 300 people you can do anything - Jaiko D'kana |
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Kainz00r - Jedi Knight 
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I guess some people enjoy testing peoples' patience, and some prefer to push their opponent so hard that they slip up, and are forced to become vulnerable. To each their own.
For a tournament suggestion, try something like 2on2. There was a class by smily back in the day that was focused on this and it was extremely popular, and something very different to your standard duel - I'd also suggest a 3v3 tournament, but I don't think we have the numbers for that anymore. _______________ Fervent supporter of duelling - leave a message if you would like to battle! Married to Masta. This comment was edited by Kainz00r on Dec 22 2008 12:39am. |
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Laziana - Jedi Instructor 
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Ok, I watched this thread now a bit and I have a few things on my mind personally that need to be said.
Fighting styles differ with each person. What's boring for one might be exciting or interesting for the other. And the fact that there are different saber stances in the game supports the different styles you can chose to play. And of course with the amount of styles you can chose from, it might happen that the quick-shot guy (doing 100 duels in 10 minutes) faces the careful and defensive guy (doing 1 duel in 10 minutes). And I say if you do not like to fight against a specific kind of style, then just don't do it. I am more the defensive guy myself, as you might know from playing with me sometimes on the servers... and I admit that I love long lasting Y vs Y duels where the two competitors lurk around each other, waiting for an opening or a swing to catch and parry. The longer a duel, the more I am generally pleased. It might have to do with the fact that I never really was a competitive person in JKA, so I might have a different angle at winning/losing. Also I was never really involved into TFFA, so I also have a different view on the importance of how many frags I can do within 10 minutes... Well, that's my opinion and my style. That's Laz. If that's boring to you, then I am sorry, I guess I cannot be everybody's love child. No harm whatsoever, I would just ask that myself gets the same respect and acceptance as I give to you. I love to discuss things, no problem. But stating personal opinions as fact is not my cup of tea, sorry. What I actually want to say is, that you all people should relax a bit and please remember why are you playing this game in the first place: Because of the fun. At least I hope so
For alternative tournaments (to finally say something relevant on the topic) I think that some extraordinary ones would be cool. Stuff you do not see everyday. Like a melee tourney, or blue stance - that would rock too, I suppose. - Laz PS: If anybody might feel offended, then I am sorry. Didn't mean to. _______________ Proud owner of Buster Senatu's 200th & 300th, Muro's 370th, Maher's 2100th, Henkes' 1639th, Johauna's 400th, 666th and 900th, Sho Koon's 2000th and Kain Sol's 600th comment Download Laziana's lightsaber here! Glory to Arstozka! This comment was edited by Laziana on Dec 21 2008 11:49pm. |
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Monteeeeeee - Nugget 
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fighting a stance with the same stance is boring, the whole fun of duelling is switching it up a bit, using some red and switching to yellow to keep your opponent guessing, i dont know anyone from the old days that stuck to 1 stance only, good players mix it up throughout the dual to keep it fresh and alive!
just my thoughts but im old and retired so it matters not _______________ If you add me to MSN, tell me who you are
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SaZ - Student
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my only concern was that even in such tourney we would only have like... masta and kain.
guess the final for one billion dollarz. if you think that wont be the case then sure. :p the more competitors the better _______________ playing jk3 since 30th of january (2005), member since 1st of february. [Unofficial Master to Vision and Z�diac ] If you can make a fool of yourself infront of 300 people you can do anything - Jaiko D'kana |
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Augusta_Mintaka - Student
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It's good to do something you aren't used to. I used to play yellow/blue exclusively because I didn't like using red, but I found an enjoyable way to use it after fighting some fairly skilled dualers.
You will, after all, gain more from playing with something you normally don't use as opposed to your primary saber saber/stance/weapon/etc. All you got to lose is your ego, which is something we're all better without. I'd be glad to join a red only tourney even though I'm better using yellow/blue. Passive yellow is boring to fight against and I'd rather fight any form of red (scripts included) over that. _______________ "Deos fortioribus adesse." This comment was edited by Augusta_Mintaka on Dec 21 2008 09:10pm. |
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Kainz00r - Jedi Knight 
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Quote: since there are couple of very skilled red stancer users in JA that currently wipe asses of pretty much everyone in the tourney... dont u think the outcome will not change at all if we restrict it to red stancers only? it would actually make things worse - they would fight like fish in the water.
i dont see any change tbh. What taste does a victory have if you don't work for it? Last I checked, the purpose of the academy was to expand the horizons and raise the limits of players in aspects of the game, to better them on the whole - to be frank, how does emphasising the current 'crutch' of yellow stance do that? A red stance only tournament would indeed be something different, I don't see the point in rigging a tournament to aid certain crowds in a better chance of winning just so they can feel better, which to be quite blunt would probably end up a fruitless project, as the better duellists who have been playing this game for a long time are generally experienced in every saber stance of every saber style anyway. A red stance only tournament would put a lot of JA members on unfamiliar ground, there is no spamming those 'feint' strikes waiting until the opponent slips up and becomes vulnerable, and if you make a bad swing, it's usually not slow enough to be a problem with yellow - if you're stuck to using red stance only though, the play becomes a lot different; range is bigger, speed is slower and combo potential is very different, mistakes are more often than not punished, delays truly become part of the 'tactical' play as do aerials, since jumping is always faster than running, both being situationaly better etc. Putting people into a position where they're forced to get to grips with red stance, as opposed to playing it passive with yellow and waiting for an open spot, helps to develop a hybrid style and not one grand spam fest which unfortunately happens often inside the JA in my experience, due to the emphasis on yellow stance, and in particular two swings of it. And as you know, every stance has it limits, hence the inevitable result of the aforementioned spam fest. Emphasis isn't necessarily a bad thing, but it's gotten to the point where it's pretty much exclusive, and that is quite detrimental to the overall goal here I'd say. In sum, broadening horizons is good, backing off into comforts is not so good. That's my view of things anyway. _______________ Fervent supporter of duelling - leave a message if you would like to battle! Married to Masta. |
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Masta - Jedi Council
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Quote: since there are couple of very skilled red stancer users in JA that currently wipe asses of pretty much everyone in the tourney... dont u think the outcome will not change at all if we restrict it to red stancers only? it would actually make things worse - they would fight like fish in the water.
You mean people at the JA actually using red stance for entire duels is not a change? Saz, you've been here long enough to notice that the vast majority of JA players use yellow, and the one's that usually don't, still use yellow here and there!
i dont see any change tbh. I agree though, you cannot expect an unexperienced player to reach the finals in a tournament like that. Thing is though, with a tourney solely dedicated to red, you'll probably get a great many really good players to sign up, i.e. the whole Aurochs Krew, maybe Sauce, maybe even Dark and company. In that case, even Kain is going to be challenged! I'd actually find such a prospect quite exciting. Quote: Ok. A few things then.
Are there any particular preferences people would like. e.g; Force Regen time etc? Need for a ref? The use of Extensions. Yes/no To be perfectly blunt, for a red-only tournament, you only need three rules: 1.Red only 2.No force 3.First to 10 _______________ Find out more about the Jedi Academy Aurochs here and more about Masta here! Married to Kain. |
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Cuthalion - Padawan 
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blue has been mentioned, but as its the least used stance and Jaina doesnt like entering tourney's should there be one?
Also like the on going TIT tourney should these tournaments have Full Force rounds or not? _______________ <MaherSenatu> guh... you are just... I'll keep sure that your kind of people will never be knights... <MaherSenatu> That's my mission... Master to Kain Sol |
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SaZ - Student
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so if im hybryd and i ahve to fight versus red purists... am i not nerfed
to hell? id rather see a blue stance tourney since nobody said that
Quote: To be honest the majority of the current tournament has been mostly played with yellow stance anyway, I doubt hosting a 'yellow stance only' tournament would be noticably different for 9/10 matches.
since there are couple of very skilled red stancer users in JA that currently wipe asses of pretty much everyone in the tourney... dont u think the outcome will not change at all if we restrict it to red stancers only? it would actually make things worse - they would fight like fish in the water. i dont see any change tbh. _______________ playing jk3 since 30th of january (2005), member since 1st of february. [Unofficial Master to Vision and Z�diac ] If you can make a fool of yourself infront of 300 people you can do anything - Jaiko D'kana This comment was edited by SaZ on Dec 21 2008 07:29pm. |
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