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Cuthalion - Padawan  |
Hi Guys, I’ve been thinking about this for a while now and would like some feedback to see what you think. With the TIT and the activity it has received, I saw people using all stances, (Thanks Laz, beating me *sob sob sob*). Anyway would you guys feel about a Tournament using just one Stance, i.e. Yellow. Obviously there would have to be a Red Stance event, and dare I say it Blue… Oh and not to leave them out Staff and Duals. So basically if I nag some of the JATs and get them to sort out a tournament for Strictly Red or Strictly Yellow etc, would you take part? Yes / No.
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ZantuS - Student 
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Yar! I say 2on2 with blue stance only! Oh the thrill! _______________ Happiness is the ability to say "So what?" |
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†Johauna Darkrider†- Student 
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Hmmm...2on2 tournament could be interesting
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SaZ - Student 
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one day tourney? _______________ playing jk3 since 30th of january (2005), member since 1st of february. [Unofficial Master to Vision and Z�diac ] If you can make a fool of yourself infront of 300 people you can do anything - Jaiko D'kana |
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Kainz00r - Jedi Knight 
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I guess some people enjoy testing peoples' patience, and some prefer to push their opponent so hard that they slip up, and are forced to become vulnerable. To each their own.
For a tournament suggestion, try something like 2on2. There was a class by smily back in the day that was focused on this and it was extremely popular, and something very different to your standard duel - I'd also suggest a 3v3 tournament, but I don't think we have the numbers for that anymore. _______________ Fervent supporter of duelling - leave a message if you would like to battle! Married to Masta. This comment was edited by Kainz00r on Dec 22 2008 12:39am. |
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Laziana - Jedi Instructor 
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Ok, I watched this thread now a bit and I have a few things on my mind personally that need to be said.
Fighting styles differ with each person. What's boring for one might be exciting or interesting for the other. And the fact that there are different saber stances in the game supports the different styles you can chose to play. And of course with the amount of styles you can chose from, it might happen that the quick-shot guy (doing 100 duels in 10 minutes) faces the careful and defensive guy (doing 1 duel in 10 minutes). And I say if you do not like to fight against a specific kind of style, then just don't do it. I am more the defensive guy myself, as you might know from playing with me sometimes on the servers... and I admit that I love long lasting Y vs Y duels where the two competitors lurk around each other, waiting for an opening or a swing to catch and parry. The longer a duel, the more I am generally pleased. It might have to do with the fact that I never really was a competitive person in JKA, so I might have a different angle at winning/losing. Also I was never really involved into TFFA, so I also have a different view on the importance of how many frags I can do within 10 minutes... Well, that's my opinion and my style. That's Laz. If that's boring to you, then I am sorry, I guess I cannot be everybody's love child. No harm whatsoever, I would just ask that myself gets the same respect and acceptance as I give to you. I love to discuss things, no problem. But stating personal opinions as fact is not my cup of tea, sorry. What I actually want to say is, that you all people should relax a bit and please remember why are you playing this game in the first place: Because of the fun. At least I hope so
For alternative tournaments (to finally say something relevant on the topic) I think that some extraordinary ones would be cool. Stuff you do not see everyday. Like a melee tourney, or blue stance - that would rock too, I suppose. - Laz PS: If anybody might feel offended, then I am sorry. Didn't mean to. _______________ Proud owner of Buster Senatu's 200th & 300th, Muro's 370th, Maher's 2100th, Henkes' 1639th, Johauna's 400th, 666th and 900th, Sho Koon's 2000th and Kain Sol's 600th comment Download Laziana's lightsaber here! Glory to Arstozka! This comment was edited by Laziana on Dec 21 2008 11:49pm. |
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Monteeeeeee - Nugget 
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fighting a stance with the same stance is boring, the whole fun of duelling is switching it up a bit, using some red and switching to yellow to keep your opponent guessing, i dont know anyone from the old days that stuck to 1 stance only, good players mix it up throughout the dual to keep it fresh and alive!
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SaZ - Student
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my only concern was that even in such tourney we would only have like... masta and kain.
guess the final for one billion dollarz. if you think that wont be the case then sure. :p the more competitors the better _______________ playing jk3 since 30th of january (2005), member since 1st of february. [Unofficial Master to Vision and Z�diac ] If you can make a fool of yourself infront of 300 people you can do anything - Jaiko D'kana |
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Augusta_Mintaka - Student 
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It's good to do something you aren't used to. I used to play yellow/blue exclusively because I didn't like using red, but I found an enjoyable way to use it after fighting some fairly skilled dualers.
You will, after all, gain more from playing with something you normally don't use as opposed to your primary saber saber/stance/weapon/etc. All you got to lose is your ego, which is something we're all better without. I'd be glad to join a red only tourney even though I'm better using yellow/blue. Passive yellow is boring to fight against and I'd rather fight any form of red (scripts included) over that. _______________ "Deos fortioribus adesse." This comment was edited by Augusta_Mintaka on Dec 21 2008 09:10pm. |
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Kainz00r - Jedi Knight 
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Quote: since there are couple of very skilled red stancer users in JA that currently wipe asses of pretty much everyone in the tourney... dont u think the outcome will not change at all if we restrict it to red stancers only? it would actually make things worse - they would fight like fish in the water.
i dont see any change tbh. What taste does a victory have if you don't work for it? Last I checked, the purpose of the academy was to expand the horizons and raise the limits of players in aspects of the game, to better them on the whole - to be frank, how does emphasising the current 'crutch' of yellow stance do that? A red stance only tournament would indeed be something different, I don't see the point in rigging a tournament to aid certain crowds in a better chance of winning just so they can feel better, which to be quite blunt would probably end up a fruitless project, as the better duellists who have been playing this game for a long time are generally experienced in every saber stance of every saber style anyway. A red stance only tournament would put a lot of JA members on unfamiliar ground, there is no spamming those 'feint' strikes waiting until the opponent slips up and becomes vulnerable, and if you make a bad swing, it's usually not slow enough to be a problem with yellow - if you're stuck to using red stance only though, the play becomes a lot different; range is bigger, speed is slower and combo potential is very different, mistakes are more often than not punished, delays truly become part of the 'tactical' play as do aerials, since jumping is always faster than running, both being situationaly better etc. Putting people into a position where they're forced to get to grips with red stance, as opposed to playing it passive with yellow and waiting for an open spot, helps to develop a hybrid style and not one grand spam fest which unfortunately happens often inside the JA in my experience, due to the emphasis on yellow stance, and in particular two swings of it. And as you know, every stance has it limits, hence the inevitable result of the aforementioned spam fest. Emphasis isn't necessarily a bad thing, but it's gotten to the point where it's pretty much exclusive, and that is quite detrimental to the overall goal here I'd say. In sum, broadening horizons is good, backing off into comforts is not so good. That's my view of things anyway. _______________ Fervent supporter of duelling - leave a message if you would like to battle! Married to Masta. |
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Masta - Jedi Council 
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Quote: since there are couple of very skilled red stancer users in JA that currently wipe asses of pretty much everyone in the tourney... dont u think the outcome will not change at all if we restrict it to red stancers only? it would actually make things worse - they would fight like fish in the water.
You mean people at the JA actually using red stance for entire duels is not a change? Saz, you've been here long enough to notice that the vast majority of JA players use yellow, and the one's that usually don't, still use yellow here and there!
i dont see any change tbh. I agree though, you cannot expect an unexperienced player to reach the finals in a tournament like that. Thing is though, with a tourney solely dedicated to red, you'll probably get a great many really good players to sign up, i.e. the whole Aurochs Krew, maybe Sauce, maybe even Dark and company. In that case, even Kain is going to be challenged! I'd actually find such a prospect quite exciting. Quote: Ok. A few things then.
Are there any particular preferences people would like. e.g; Force Regen time etc? Need for a ref? The use of Extensions. Yes/no To be perfectly blunt, for a red-only tournament, you only need three rules: 1.Red only 2.No force 3.First to 10 _______________ Find out more about the Jedi Academy Aurochs here and more about Masta here! Married to Kain. |
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Cuthalion - Padawan 
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blue has been mentioned, but as its the least used stance and Jaina doesnt like entering tourney's should there be one?
Also like the on going TIT tourney should these tournaments have Full Force rounds or not? _______________ <MaherSenatu> guh... you are just... I'll keep sure that your kind of people will never be knights... <MaherSenatu> That's my mission... Master to Kain Sol |
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SaZ - Student 
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so if im hybryd and i ahve to fight versus red purists... am i not nerfed
to hell? id rather see a blue stance tourney since nobody said that
Quote: To be honest the majority of the current tournament has been mostly played with yellow stance anyway, I doubt hosting a 'yellow stance only' tournament would be noticably different for 9/10 matches.
since there are couple of very skilled red stancer users in JA that currently wipe asses of pretty much everyone in the tourney... dont u think the outcome will not change at all if we restrict it to red stancers only? it would actually make things worse - they would fight like fish in the water. i dont see any change tbh. _______________ playing jk3 since 30th of january (2005), member since 1st of february. [Unofficial Master to Vision and Z�diac ] If you can make a fool of yourself infront of 300 people you can do anything - Jaiko D'kana This comment was edited by SaZ on Dec 21 2008 07:29pm. |
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Cuthalion - Padawan
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Ok. A few things then.
Are there any particular preferences people would like. e.g; Force Regen time etc? Need for a ref? The use of Extensions. Yes/no _______________ <MaherSenatu> guh... you are just... I'll keep sure that your kind of people will never be knights... <MaherSenatu> That's my mission... Master to Kain Sol |
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Piccolo - Student 
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exactly, the vast majority of thejediacademy.net uses the yellow stance in duels, red would be something new |
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Masta - Jedi Council 
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I absolutely agree with Kain, which is why i find a red-only tournament such a good idea - it would make for a great change! _______________ Find out more about the Jedi Academy Aurochs here and more about Masta here! Married to Kain. |
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Kainz00r - Jedi Knight
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To be honest the majority of the current tournament has been mostly played with yellow stance anyway, I doubt hosting a 'yellow stance only' tournament would be noticably different for 9/10 matches. _______________ Fervent supporter of duelling - leave a message if you would like to battle! Married to Masta. This comment was edited by Kainz00r on Dec 21 2008 05:33pm. |
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Cuthalion - Padawan
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Well atleast it may give some of us the pleasant illusion that we might win, if our opponent can only use the saber sabering style. _______________ <MaherSenatu> guh... you are just... I'll keep sure that your kind of people will never be knights... <MaherSenatu> That's my mission... Master to Kain Sol |
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Sauce - =^.^= 
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having a saber type tournaments is a novel idea. but with that said, changing the tournament format is unlikely to change the outcome by much if the tournament involves a same or similar pool of participants.
at one point or another in our jka experience, we have all devoted a substantial amount of time working on yellow stance [i mean we as in the older jaa: masta, kain, and I]. though the majority of us have since chose to focus more on red [because it is indeed the most important of the single saber stances], it wouldn't take much adjustment and practice to brush up on what we already know, though i must say doing fake delay left swings till our opponents chooses to engage will surely test our patience/sanity. however, if this name saber stance only format will encourage more people to sign up, it might indeed be a good idea. with the current pool, there is really little hope for the new players... |
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Piccolo - Student 
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Meh, a red stance tournament would be nice |
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Cuthalion - Padawan 
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Quote: I'm sorry but anything except red-only would bore me to tears.
Well some of us who arn't that good with Red nor have the experience you have prefer / are better with Yellow, and for that reason I would argue to had a Red only Tournament and a Yellow only Tournament. Dont worry Masta, you can dominate the Red only one, so save your tears. _______________ <MaherSenatu> guh... you are just... I'll keep sure that your kind of people will never be knights... <MaherSenatu> That's my mission... Master to Kain Sol This comment was edited by Cuthalion on Dec 21 2008 12:19pm. |
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solitude - Jedi Council 
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Quote: yea i agree with masta
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Lok - Student 
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yea i agree with masta _______________ "Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. It's just that your is stupid" |
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Sauce - =^.^= 
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time to brush up on wireplay style? |
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SaZ - Student
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yellow? no.
red? no. blue? maybe
melee? hell yeah. _______________ playing jk3 since 30th of january (2005), member since 1st of february. [Unofficial Master to Vision and Z�diac ] If you can make a fool of yourself infront of 300 people you can do anything - Jaiko D'kana |
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Masta - Jedi Council
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I'm sorry but anything except red-only would bore me to tears. _______________ Find out more about the Jedi Academy Aurochs here and more about Masta here! Married to Kain. |
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