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We want to shake things up a little bit here at thejediacademy.net, and one of the ways we want to achieve this is by broadening our horizons a little bit.
We have two thriving guilds in Star Wars: The Old Republic, but we're fully aware that MMO games aren't for everyone. We're also aware that the Jedi Knight: Jedi Academy community is not what it once was. So, in order to broaden our horizons, we want to find out what everyone is playing these days, as we want to accommodate you guys as best we can and give you what you need to enjoy our fantastic community. Star Wars gaming is obviously our first priority, but there's absolutely no reason why we can't, for example, run events, tournaments, classes or even servers for games that you guys enjoy. So, let's hear it! What are you guys playing? What games would you like to see us support? Reply to this thread and let us know, as well as any other suggestions or ideas you might have. Thanks guys! |
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planK - Jedi Council 
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You people give me ulcers. CLUNK. |
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Wicek - Nugget 
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So can I call you an idiot? I played JKA recently. Or will there be a specific rule to play CTF JKA.
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Monteeeeeee - Nugget 
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Once we finish a few things regarding the website content, we'll be doing some kind of tournament (with a PRIZE OMGZ) and then we'll organise some sort of ladder.
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planK - Jedi Council 
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Once we finish a few things regarding the website content, we'll be doing some kind of tournament (with a PRIZE OMGZ) and then we'll organise some sort of ladder.
No. Oh, well damn Hugo, I'm sorry. Would you like the keys to the place? |
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planK - Jedi Council
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Once we finish a few things regarding the website content, we'll be doing some kind of tournament (with a PRIZE OMGZ) and then we'll organise some sort of ladder. |
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Komence - Student 
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so you guys playing jka or what |
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Maher - Jedi Knight 
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oh heck. I have allready said my reasons at IRC and I want to avoid misconceptions so I won't post anything related to this subject anymore. It works for me and whatever works for you, It is fine.
Also we need to get back to the topic.  _______________ Still here | My Lightsaber |
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Masta - Jedi Council 
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Quote: I still stay on my opinion that all are casual gamers. I disagree because there are very distinct and important differences that you seem to ignore, but I don't know if this is relevant to the discussion at hand. _______________ Find out more about the Jedi Academy Aurochs here and more about Masta here! Married to Kain. |
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Maher - Jedi Knight
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I still stay on my opinion that all are casual gamers. _______________ Still here | My Lightsaber |
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Masta - Jedi Council
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Successive troll attempt is successive. Don't worry hugo, I was just kidding. The distinction is useless anyways. _______________ Find out more about the Jedi Academy Aurochs here and more about Masta here! Married to Kain. |
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Masta - Jedi Council 
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@ Maher: You see, because actively competing is a necessary condition for being a 'competitive player', people like Hugo are still casuals because they have never actively competed in serious ladders/tournaments like the ESL before. _______________ Find out more about the Jedi Academy Aurochs here and more about Masta here! Married to Kain. |
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Masta - Jedi Council
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Then you create too simple of a dichotomy. _______________ Find out more about the Jedi Academy Aurochs here and more about Masta here! Married to Kain. |
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Maher - Jedi Knight
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In my mind competitive gaming is casual gaming  _______________ Still here | My Lightsaber |
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Masta - Jedi Council
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I guess what you called 'serious' gaming I would think of as competitive play, that is playing the game primarily with the intention to improve in terms of skill or compete in ladders/tournaments. The goal here is to become as good of a player as you can be, pushing your boundaries, challenging yourself, realizing your potential and developing mastery.
Although it is true that barely anyone here at any point in time has had that mindset, the Aurochs for example were a group comprised of (mostly) competitive players. I've been a competitive player for my entire life and remain one in sc2; Vision and Wicek were and still are competitive players too, the latter of which has played WoW at the highest level for years. That's what floats our boat. _______________ Find out more about the Jedi Academy Aurochs here and more about Masta here! Married to Kain. This comment was edited by Masta on Mar 24 2012 11:15am. |
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Maher - Jedi Knight
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Just out of interested and It is related to topic,
What's serious gaming? It is more like enjoying your time in games or It is more like working hard 24/7 to learn gaming? or how about just discovering the game at your own time and space? What defines serious gaming and casual gaming? Because I dare to say that we all are casual gamers _______________ Still here | My Lightsaber |
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planK - Jedi Council
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Hugo, the about us page is massively outdated and will be updated within the week. I'm in the process of rewriting it, amongst many other things that fall under the "tja getting itself together" category.
If people are here because they're Star Wars fans and only casual gamers, they are welcome. If they're a hardcore gamer with a passive interest in the star wars IP, they are also welcome. The only prerequisite to being a member of this website is "don't be a moron." I am doing my absolute best to insure this place has a strong future that accommodates as many people's wants/needs as possible. I'm a bit bummed at how this thread went, but I also appreciate the feedback and criticisms. This place has been far from perfect, but I we've established a general awareness of the JAK+'s past mistakes. However, I am mostly focusing on the positives. Positive mental attitude ftw. |
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Quote: Are we? I'd like to know what the current TJA-population all together is. More sw fans or more gamers? I always had the feeling that there are more sw fans here. And with that I mean people playing games because of the themes or because it's shiny and you can create characters and collect stuff and what not (those people I do not really call gamers). Would be interesting to know how many serious gamers there are and how many casual gamers, as also just sw fans. Just to clarify, I didn't necessarily mean we were all both those things, but rather everyone here was either a gamer, a star wars fan or both. I've always felt the hardcore/casual titles get thrown a round a bit too much and are a little heavy handed, but would be interesting to see the results of that nonetheless. Quote:
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I think Plank and the other TJA staff have made it very clear that JKJA still comes first, as it should
JKA and SWTOR are our primary games. Neither game takes priority over the other. Ok, good to know.
Quote: Also, the "classes" section will become an "events" section, which will act as a calendar listing any classes, events, get-togethers etc etc that we have going on. If any of these overlap on one time slot, so be it - it's about the people who will be attending, not the people organising such events, and offering a choice is not a bad thing.
Sounds good. The Instructor could always put 'Class' in their event title if they felt it warranted it anyhow I would imagine. Strongly agree with the last. Quote: I wouldn't say we're a "jedi philosophy" community. We're more of a "be nice and play fair" community.
This is how I've always seen the community. There are plenty of members here who take their Jedi philosophy seriously, one of my first proper threads on these boards was about it, however the community itself always feels like something more than any one philosophy. It stands out from many of the other Jedi orientated communities I have seen or taken part in in the past in part for that reason I think. _______________ To strive, to seek, to find, and not to yield | Unbowed, Unbent, Unbroken | Rhaiko D'kana - SWTOR EU Guild Co-Founder | Is it what the teacher, teaches? Or what the student learns? A Dkana |
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planK - Jedi Council
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I wouldn't say we're a "jedi philosophy" community. We're more of a "be nice and play fair" community. |
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planK - Jedi Council
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Quote: I think Plank and the other TJA staff have made it very clear that JKJA still comes first, as it should
JKA and SWTOR are our primary games. Neither game takes priority over the other. Also, the "classes" section will become an "events" section, which will act as a calendar listing any classes, events, get-togethers etc etc that we have going on. If any of these overlap on one time slot, so be it - it's about the people who will be attending, not the people organising such events, and offering a choice is not a bad thing. Also, I don't give a damn how bad you think SWTOR is - some people love it, some people hate it, and that's entirely your choice. But this thread isn't for your QQ. Shut up. |
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Laziana - Jedi Instructor 
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Sorry to be the killjoy (well acutally not), but it is
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not Quote: JK3 vs TOR
Come on, this is getting ridiculous. I for myself see no problem in having both games co-exist within TJA regardless of what anyone might think of either of them. Also I DO believe in fact that TJA will eventually profit from incorporating TOR. That doesn't mean that JK3 has any more or less value than before. I am unhappy to see so much fighting about an opportunity that can - if handled correctly - put new life into TJA as a whole. We are here in this topic to discuss ways to make the future better. Everything else has respective forums and threads to it where everyone can blow his/her heart out about anything - YES we are such a place where you can talk about anything. _______________ Proud owner of Buster Senatu's 200th & 300th, Muro's 370th, Maher's 2100th, Henkes' 1639th, Johauna's 400th, 666th and 900th, Sho Koon's 2000th and Kain Sol's 600th comment Download Laziana's lightsaber here! Glory to Arstozka! This comment was edited by Laziana on Mar 23 2012 06:01pm. |
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Masta - Jedi Council
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Quote: And the Datacron event has every right to be a class, it may be a beginner class sure, but it's still capable of teaching people things they otherwise wouldn't know in a fun and informative way. Quote: And for the record just because I am speaking for TOR here that hardly means TJA is focusing on it. I'm one of the Guild leaders, of course I'm going to respond to commentary on it, particularly when it comes with quite loaded language. Let's not kid ourselves, the vast majority of the semi-around people in this community are playing swtor. The game is the ja's destiny, regardless of whether or not we get new people into jka. The new website was supposed to accommodate to that fact, but your reluctance about cancelling a for-fun swtor event now and then in favour of a jka one that is supposed to raise activity only confirms this.
I find that an unfortunate development because the game in question is trash and almost completely incompatible with the spirit of the JA. The only thing it has going for it is the SW theme, which is also the sole reason why almost anyone in this community is playing the game to begin with (next to peer pressure). If it weren't for the theme, we wouldn't even see a topic in the general forum about the game. Quote: Skipping events, or classes, is almost never beneficial. Our focus is JKJA yes, but we are discussing looking towards supporting new games and that means supporting them, not treating them like a user base to be mined for new recruits for our 'main game'. Instead we meet the demands of that user base, give them what they want. If they are enjoying attending a SWTOR event then it will go ahead. Yes, skipping classes is -almost- never beneficial: in this case it is, for the reasons I mentioned. As for supporting a game: all that means is creating a structure that facilitates easy communication and the organisation of events, classes and whatever funtimes come to mind - this is what we do, regardless of whether or not we skip one of those events every now and then for a spontaneous jka one to raise awareness for our 'main game'. Therefore, if our goal is to raise activity for our 'main game', sacrificing a little bit of swtor screentime in order to increase jka activity and spread the word will hardly invalidate our support for other games nor will it necessarily frustrate our guildies all that much, considering that the events/classes will be recurrent and the skipping will be occasional, not consistent.
Quote: Consistency is good. It allows for more random and spontaneous things to happen in-between whilst retaining a structure the user base as a whole can rely on to know what's happening. Classes were skipped now and then in jka too, nobody broke a leg and consistency prevailed.
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I've played more swtor than you think, so thanks but no thanks.
That's a shame, you should have come and played with us. Seen what we're all about.
Edited for clarity. EDIT: Quote: At the end of the day it isn't a case of game x is better than game y because z, the way I understand it that is partly the whole reason this thread exists. TJA wants to support what it's community likes, be it TOR, SC2 and always JK. I think the issue is more complex than that. Back when SWG was released, TJA didn't pay much attention to it although it was a much bigger deal than swtor is now - the reason for this is because we used to be very active and successful in jka back then, so there was no need to branch out into games that did not align with the purpose and spirit of the JA. With the decline of jka however swtor has become something superawesome that we all of a sudden need to accommodate to because nobody is playing jka anymore. I call BS. _______________ Find out more about the Jedi Academy Aurochs here and more about Masta here! Married to Kain. This comment was edited by Masta on Mar 23 2012 05:43pm. |
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I agree with the first bit Joh, although I enjoy aspects of TOR's combat, on the whole an MMO just can't compare to something less restrictive.
The rest of the points you make are all perfectly valid, but highly subjective. Plenty of people enjoy the other flashpoints etc. At the end of the day it isn't a case of game x is better than game y because z, the way I understand it that is partly the whole reason this thread exists. TJA wants to support what it's community likes, be it TOR, SC2 and always JK. The rest is easy and is what what we have always done: Respect each other, be polite and help others (etc.) All the members of the community, be they recruited in TOR or JK2 oldbies are equal and each and every one adds something to the larger community, even if it's just one extra face on the server to Force push into the pit, an amusing comment in the crazy stuff forum, or to laugh with after a wipe on TOR. Everyone should be made welcome and be treated the same way. _______________ To strive, to seek, to find, and not to yield | Unbowed, Unbent, Unbroken | Rhaiko D'kana - SWTOR EU Guild Co-Founder | Is it what the teacher, teaches? Or what the student learns? A Dkana |
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Alex: The SWTOR gameplay seems just too dull for me. Combat system? Compare it to JKA. JKA is dynamic, reactions based and it's even pleasure to watch. In SWTOR, I just felt like I was pushing buttons. I felt NOTHING while playing the game.
JKA made me feel excited, it made me focus hard on my movement, on my opponent, to keep my mind in check, to remain calm, to not make mistakes. It's the same for me in SC2 - the game pushes my limits, to try harder. I FEEL something when I play this game. As for me not socializing - the game interface was so bad, that being able to listen in to guild chat was close to impossible for me. Similar why I dislike IRC and all these things, it's hard to keep an eye on. Guild actions? Let's face it, the game, minus the story, was boring, as I explained my reasons for it above. What were guild actions? Raids? Flashpoints? Only story-driven flashpoint I actually enjoyed was the first one, the rest was much more bland, only one close to it was Jedi Prisoner. To bottomline it: SWTOR does not appeal to me, nor gameplay wise, nor it offers any kind of stimuli for me to play. I can talk to my friends on MSN, here on forums or anywhere else, for free. So no, that is not a reason for me to stick with a game, which in my eyes, lack any form of depth. _______________ Johauna's Bio | When I am GRANDMASTER...! | StarCraft II Protoss Learner | Wannabe GrandMaster Leaguer | How to NOT play StarCraft II Specialist |
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Alex Dkana - Staff
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At the very least the endgame PVP and PVE content already in the ever expanding game already offers several ideas suited to classes. Not "lolstats", I have never in fact enjoyed number crunching in MMOs although I will support it within my guild for anyone who is interested, because yes there is a degree of skill and effort required to master those elements.
Getting to know the hard modes, and Operations in particular is much more than just stats. Really, all it takes is a little creativity and there is a lot you can do to teach in SWTOR. Even just going by in-game skill levels, which is really only one facet of teaching anyway. And the Datacron event has every right to be a class, it may be a beginner class sure, but it's still capable of teaching people things they otherwise wouldn't know in a fun and informative way. @Joh, you levelled to 48 yes, but you barely took part in guild events, barely socialised, and ignored huge amounts of the game. Is it surprising that you found it lacked depth? It's similar (not the same) to playing through the single player JKJA and doing a few rounds on the pubs before calling it quits. And for the record just because I am speaking for TOR here that hardly means TJA is focusing on it. I'm one of the Guild leaders, of course I'm going to respond to commentary on it, particularly when it comes with quite loaded language. I think Plank and the other TJA staff have made it very clear that JKJA still comes first, as it should (I was a fan of Dark Forces well before I ever played a BioWare game, let alone an MMO, I find it extremely odd to be in the MMOs corner in this debate). There is nothing to be sad about here, merely opportunities to help a brilliant community that has grown stagnant and inactive return to period of bustling activity and sexy funtimes. @Masta again: Quote: Having said that, if promoting jka is our goal and skipping swtor guild events now and then would help with that
Skipping events, or classes, is almost never beneficial. Our focus is JKJA yes, but we are discussing looking towards supporting new games and that means supporting them, not treating them like a user base to be mined for new recruits for our 'main game'. Instead we meet the demands of that user base, give them what they want. If they are enjoying attending a SWTOR event then it will go ahead. We are all staff here, we have made sure to give TJA staff who join the Enjin site admin access even if they don't play TOR, presuming they sign up with a username we recognise. This is because it all comes down to one community, regardless of what server we're on, what game we're playing, and that combined staff can easily arrange events around each other or ask each other if they wouldn't mind postponing/re-arranging a regular event (note: not announcing it to the community) so that a different one might take it's place. Consistency is good. It allows for more random and spontaneous things to happen in-between whilst retaining a structure the user base as a whole can rely on to know what's happening. Quote: I've played more swtor than you think, so thanks but no thanks.
That's a shame, you should have come and played with us. Seen what we're all about.
Edited for clarity. _______________ To strive, to seek, to find, and not to yield | Unbowed, Unbent, Unbroken | Rhaiko D'kana - SWTOR EU Guild Co-Founder | Is it what the teacher, teaches? Or what the student learns? A Dkana This comment was edited by Alex Dkana on Mar 23 2012 04:17pm. |
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Masta - Jedi Council
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What I meant was that an exceptional structure alone won't do a thing if we don't have the numbers to begin with.
Quote: "sack a previously scheduled event and tell everyone who wanted to come that jka intervened and that they should check it out with you!" No? Our guild events -are- classes and will be given equal priority. What I do agree with and will do, (and have been working towards anyway) is seperate JKJA events advertised through the guild, both in-game and on the Enjin website, so long as it is in use. Classes try to help you become a better player (in terms of skill, not lolstats). The reason why we had recurrent events like tag team dueling marked as 'classes' even though they had no real educational value was mostly due to the convenience of having them listed on the classes page. I do support swtor events like the datacron hunt though, because they can be fun for people who play the game, but those kinds of things must be kept separate from actual classes, which are not possible in -50 pve swtor for obvious reasons. I also support 'teaching' pvp in swtor, because that might be the only area of the game below 50 that requires any thought at all, although I still consider pvp in any mmo a complete joke because oh look an abstract number in my character screen is bigger than yours so I win, but it's still much better than the endless grind in pve by a long shot.
Having said that, if promoting jka is our goal and skipping swtor guild events now and then would help with that, then I don't see why we shouldn't do it. It doesn't have to be consistent either, just here and there. Quote: Free yourself from your bias Masta and come join us, we are all just gamers and Star Wars fans here. I've played more swtor than you think, so thanks but no thanks. _______________ Find out more about the Jedi Academy Aurochs here and more about Masta here! Married to Kain. |
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