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THE THANKSGIVING INVITATIONAL TOURNAMENT 4
Nov 21 2005 02:15am

Roan Belouve
 - Retired
Roan Belouve
US DRAW IS HERE
EURO DRAW IS HERE

There must be a JA member to referee the match. The WINNER SHOULD POST THE RESULT IN THIS THREAD in this format

PLAYER A 4 PLAYER B 1
REF: PLAYER C
Any comments

RESULTS PAGE

-Preliminary round: Best of 5 3 NF 2 FF: From Sunday 27th November @ 2:00 GMT to Tuesday 29th @ 23:59 GMT [b] EDIT it said the 30th in error

The deadline is not fixed, as long as you get the first round proper duel completed in time. You can duell back to back if you like and can arrange to meet your opponents.

-First Round: Best of 5 3NF 2 FF :Sunday 27th November @ 2:00 GMT to Saturday December 3 @ 23:59 pm GMT 0 32 Players


- Second Round : Best of 5 3NF 2 FF: Sunday December 4 @ 12:00 am GMT 0 (0:00) to Wednesday December 7 @ 11:59 pm GMT 0 16 Players


-Third Round: Best of 7 4NF 3FF : From Thursday December 8 @ 12:00 am GMT 0 (0:00) to Saturday December 10 @ 11:59 pm GMT 0 8 Players


-Fourth RoundRegional Final: Best of 7 FORMAT: 2 NF 2FF 2 NF 1 FF: From Sunday December 11 @ 12:00 am GMT 0 (0:00) to Wednesday December 14 @ 11:59 pm GMT 4 Players


Final: Best of 9 3 FORMAT = 2 NF 2 FF 2 NF 2 FF 1 NF: From Thursday December 15 @ 12:00 am GMT 0 (0:00) to Sunday December 18 @ 11:59 pm GMT 2 Players
FOR THE FINAL: IF THE FINALISTS CAN PLEASE GIVE ME NOTICE OF WHEN THE FINAL WILL BE I WOULD LIKE TO ABLE TO GET A JAM+ TO REFEREE :).

Every Match MUST take place on an official JA server.

ALL NF deuls to be completed first Followed by FF

Please contact your opponents and arrange a time as soon as the draw is made. If you cannot get in touch with your opponent post below, If a match doesn’t take place within the time limit and we see no posts, both participants will be eliminated from the tournament.


PRIZES WILL BE ANNOUNCED AT A LATER DATE.

MAY THE FORCE BE WITH YOU ALL

PREVIOUS Thanksgiving IT Finals

Final 2004 Sfire v Squibit This is a movie I made you can watch using any medi player WARNING 43Mb and the file name says 2003 :)

TiT3 Final 2003 D@RtHM@UL v YingYang Four files in this zip extract to demos this was a JK2 match btw

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This post was edited by Roan Belouve on Dec 09 2005 01:11am.

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KEEP THEM DEMOS COMING PEOPLE!!!!!

IF YOU REF YOU CAN DEMO TOO OR JUST ASK SOMEONE

I WILL TRY AND MAKE A HIGHLIGHT REEL IF THERE'S NO DEMO OF YOUR MATCH YOU WON'T BE IN IT

IF YOU NEED SOMEONE TO PUT THE FILES GIVE ME A SHOUT

I'm off to check I still have Fraps :)

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Dec 10 2005 05:29pm

Roan Belouve
 - Retired
 Roan Belouve

Due to these rules not being adhered to the Ref now must be a JAK+ for all Future Matches


I SHOULDN'T HAVE TO POST THIS STATEMENT BUT HERE GOES

I AND THE ACADEMY DON'T LIKE EXPLIOTS AND I WOULD HOPE NO ONE WOULD TARNISH THE GOOD NAME OF THIS TOURNAMNET BY USING THEM

If people want to speak to me because they feel they have used these within the tourney to gain an unfair advantage please do so and I will act accordingly.

FINALLY PLEASE ENSURE DEMOS ARE TAKEN FOR EVERYMATCH NOW
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This comment was edited by Buzz on Dec 11 2005 11:35pm.


Dec 14 2005 12:01am

Tido
 - Student
 Tido

I, like Avalon, am guilty of trying to be accurate and percise with my saber through the use of extensions. By what Avalon just explained I am in violation of the rules of this tourney and must withdraw. I have used extensions in past matches and they are an integral part of my style. Asking me to not attempt to be accurate with my saber is basically asking me to not even fight. It's a shame all this controversy is happening with the tourney, but the JAC are shelling out the $ for it and therefor have the right to apply rules so they can get the outcome they desire. I wish the remaining competitors the best of luck.

Dec 13 2005 11:38pm

solitude
 - Jedi Council
 solitude

philosophy*
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Dec 13 2005 11:32pm

Wolfwood
 - Student
 Wolfwood

People fight the way they choose to. If someone does not like a certain persons fighting style, simply avoid dueling that person.

About my match with Avalon. In my opinion it was quite a fair match and no 'exploit' used. If however, what he used, are indeed considered to be exploits, then I was exploiting as well because I was doing just about the same things he did. However this can be an ongoing discussion about something that actually really is not such a big of a deal. I've had enough of those discussion in my past (people that been here for a while know what I am talking about).
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This comment was edited by Wolfwood on Dec 14 2005 01:28am.

Dec 13 2005 10:35pm

SaZ
 - Student
 SaZ

doh avalon u dont sploit that much to whine about :P
actually when i saw a tourney demo of players using pretty weird style coz of their sploit habits i kinda forgot about this sploits business because no one said a word about that.
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Dec 13 2005 10:35pm

Jade Jedi
 - Retired
 Jade Jedi

Sorry to hear that Avalon, sound's like you were a victom of a difference of opinion (and you know what the say about opinions) bad luck mate.
And congrats to you Masta, not only for winning but being a good sport about it aswell.
To bad the tourny had to end in controversy, well done anyway guys.
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Dec 13 2005 10:23pm

NotSoLittleCaesar
 - Student
 NotSoLittleCaesar

*claps to avalon* Bravo.
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Dec 13 2005 10:18pm

AvaloN
 - Student
 AvaloN

Alright guys, I need to clear up some things, since there have been a lot of rumors about me lately.

As most of u probably read, the Euro final of this years TIT was between me and Masta.

We had to replay the match tonight, and this time Masta won. First of all, wel done Masta, you did very well. So all of u reading this, go congratz him on his Euro championship title.

I knew some guys had complained about me wiggling. Altho Im sure the staff didnt take this very seriously (after all, there were demo's of my matches available to prove I didnt poke/wiggle), the tone was set. After I won the final match vs Masta, there apparently has been someone complaining about exploits again.

So I was told by a staffmember that the exploiting I was accused of was the use of extensions. Most people here probably dont know what extensions are, so Ill try and explain what they are.

When u perform a right red swing, and slowly turn your crosshair to the opposite direction, u can try to keep the saber pointed at your opponent longer. If timed and performed right, it can give u a boost in offensive and defensive power. This is a technique that requires timing and skill, and its not very easy to put it to good use, since its easy to lose track of your opponent because of you having to move the crosshair. This clearly isnt poking or wiggling the saber. The difference between all these has been clearly explained in many threads, do a forum search for 'exploits' and get informed if u dont know what im talking about.

Ive always known that this technique was a controversial one, but quite a lot of people at the JA use it, me being one of them. Some people dont see them as exploits, others do, but thats cool and all. Some claim that its some programming/techincal thing, but Im not into that stuff, so I wouldnt know.

So I asked the staff how they felt about them, and they came up with a pretty confusing statement. They basicly said that the extension itself is not an exploit, as long as its used in a 'clean' way. Clean meaning that u dont use them to kill people in 1 hit. There were some other criteria, but the fact that there is a 'clean' and a 'dirty' version of the extension is just confusing to me.

Then they decided that all extensions, be it the 'good' or the 'bad' ones, are allowed on the server, but werent allowed in the tournament, and my victory was decleared invalid. This even tho Masta told the staff it was an honest victory (which I appreciate, thanks dude).

I dont really know why all of a sudden, extensions became such big of an issue, people have been using them forever on the JA. Ive pretty much always used them, way before the tourney aswell, and pretty much never heard anyone about them. But so be it.

But if extensions is seen as an exploit, Id say that (glide) delays, backflip hesitation, saber animation freeze moves, saber-cartwheeling and rapid stance switching while attacking (when using staff/duals) should be bant from the tounrey aswell. Its all a matter of debate if one would see al these moves as exploits or not, maybe technically they are, but unlike poking/swaying, they dont give the user an easy advantage. They all require skill and timing to use.

Ive rarely received comments on my dueling style, and some of the guys that shout 'Sploitz!' the loudest, ive dueled a lot, and they have never told me they considered my way of fighting exloiting. So please dont be hypocrite about this.

Im still pretty disappointed about all this, and altho I know the staff makes the rules here, I think its nonsense. I personally think its sad to be so damn uptight about something silly as an extensions, but thats not my decision I guess.

I think that pretty much summed up my thoughts on this, and hope to put an end to some of the rumors.

The rematch actually made me realise how hard it is to not use a habit in your style, forcing yourself to play different then u are used to.

All in all, Masta played very well, congrats for winning the title, and thank for being so cool during this whole situation.

Thanks for reading this guys.

This comment was edited by AvaloN on Dec 13 2005 10:20pm.

Dec 12 2005 05:20pm

Wicek
 - Nugget
 Wicek

Quote:
Good job Av. Masta almost had you :)


That comment have positive meaning. It spread peace and <3. Have nice day and wait for Santa.

This comment was edited by Wicek on Dec 12 2005 05:21pm.

Dec 12 2005 02:48pm

AvaloN
 - Student
 AvaloN

Quote:
Quote:
Good job Av. Masta almost had you :)


anyone sensed something about this comment? :P


enlighten us Sazabi.

Dec 12 2005 02:22pm

Furi0us
 - Student
 Furi0us

Quote:
Quote:
Good job Av. Masta almost had you :)


anyone sensed something about this comment? :P


Negative.
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Dec 12 2005 02:11pm

SaZ
 - Student
 SaZ

Quote:
Good job Av. Masta almost had you :)


anyone sensed something about this comment? :P
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Dec 11 2005 07:22pm

Alex Dkana
 - Staff
 Alex Dkana

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The witchhunt is on. None are safe. Not even the innocent or mislead.


Oh noes! :eek:

i'm innocent and mislead!

>_>

<_<

*hides*
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Dec 11 2005 07:21pm

Kainz00r
 - Jedi Knight
 Kainz00r

The witchhunt is on. None are safe. Not even the innocent or mislead.
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Dec 11 2005 05:18pm

Wicek
 - Nugget
 Wicek

Good job Av. Masta almost had you :)




This comment was edited by Wicek on Dec 12 2005 05:19pm.

Dec 11 2005 05:15pm

AvaloN
 - Student
 AvaloN

tnx guys :)

Dec 11 2005 03:53pm

Alex Dkana
 - Staff
 Alex Dkana

Congratulations Avalon :)
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Dec 11 2005 03:31pm

D@RtHM@UL
 - Student
 D@RtHM@UL

Quote:
Looks like avalon wins the euro tournament :)


I call eXploitZ!


This comment was edited by D@RtHM@UL on Dec 11 2005 07:41pm.

Dec 11 2005 02:58pm

SaZ
 - Student
 SaZ

Quote:
Looks like avalon wins the euro tournament :)


h4x
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Dec 11 2005 02:57pm

Eica
 - Student
 Eica

Looks like avalon wins the euro tournament :)
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Dec 10 2005 02:56pm

D@RtHM@UL
 - Student
 D@RtHM@UL

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I know i feel like a chump :(


If you want, you can duel me, even though that'd be a free victory for you aswell lol :P

Dec 10 2005 05:03am

Smilykrazy
 - Retired
 Smilykrazy

I know i feel like a chump :(
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Dec 09 2005 11:40pm

Flash
 - Student
 Flash

Maybe you can be the first person to win without fighting a single duel!

Dec 09 2005 11:12pm

Smilykrazy
 - Retired
 Smilykrazy

Xao never let me know the times he was free on my profile. I cant get msn to work, must be something either im doing wrong or maybe something with my firewall (but turning off my firewall didnt make it work either). IDK what else to do. Guess I just not destined to duel in this tournament :(
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Dec 09 2005 08:59pm

Sauce
 - =^.^=
 Sauce

oh man lemme see teh demo lololololol.

Dec 09 2005 08:28pm

AvaloN
 - Student
 AvaloN

gg guys.

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